dunno about mmr but anecdotal

Post #303,830 by boxley 2/8/09 11:49:21 AM Reply	dunno about mmr but anecdotal oldest boy was hospitalized about 48 hrs after his first one, damn near died and I am convinced it was a reaction and his brain functions seemed incredibly different after the shots, possibly due to the febrile convultions however all of the following kids took it fine. So it does have nasty side effects, those effects are in a small portion of the population think then take or dont
Post #303,844 by mhuber 2/8/09 3:26:43 PM Reply	That's not the controversey Sometimes there is a reaction including fever, and sometimes that has neurological consequences. No sane person on either side denies that. The questionable idea is that the large increase in the number of autism cases is explained by something unique to vaccinations. That would have to be a more common reaction than the high fever one, a subtle reaction that is not usually noticeable soon enough for people to make the connection. The big philosophy question is whether you should take a personal risk in order to help protect the population. In real life (assuming there isn't some big hidden danger like the bogus autism study said) the personal risk calculation for those without some special contraindication and the population risk calculation point the same way: you are safer, and your population is safer, if you take the vaccine. But then you don't have anything to talk about in ethics class.
Post #303,845 by boxley 2/8/09 4:01:54 PM Reply	what protection of the larger population? we have people coming over the border will all kinds of grungy communicable diseases and we dont seem to give a crap about that.
Post #303,848 by pwhysall 2/8/09 4:17:53 PM Reply	Vaccination isn't pointless... ...and the sums to prove it have been done, by finer minds than ours.
Post #303,852 by a6l6e6x 2/8/09 4:36:04 PM Reply	You shoulda seen "American Experience" on PBS last night. It was about polio, "March of Dimes", Jonas Salk, Albert Sabin, etc culminating in the late in the 1950's. After testing on monkeys, Salk tested kids in orphanages and mental/handicapped institutions. Things like informed consent was an unknown concept. When the dead virus vaccine was deployed, a California manufacturer screwed up and shipped vaccine with a live virus. They caused polio and even deaths. That resulted in a hiatus in the US immunization program. Perhaps you had to have been there, but the polio scare was number two to only the Red scare in the 1950's. Alex
Post #303,853 by Andrew Grygus 2/8/09 4:44:57 PM Reply	I was there . . . . . and the propaganda was intense. Pictures of rows of iron lung machines and kids in leg braces everywhere. Contribution cans in the shape of iron lungs littered public places everywhere.
Post #303,858 by malraux 2/8/09 5:32:06 PM Reply	That's my wife's main objection Most of these things aren't tested, or at least aren't tested with children in mind, before being sprung on the populace. No argument about the efficacy; it's the ever-changing formulation that causes concern. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #303,859 by boxley 2/8/09 5:35:17 PM Reply	I was there, grew up with kids on sticks polio and small pox is different than measles, mumps diptheria and pertussis are worse thanx, bill
Post #303,856 by mhuber 2/8/09 5:26:24 PM Reply	Still helps Probably even more than without them. If there are no incoming viruses, not much for the vaccine to fight.

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