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New Don't cross Rush Limbaugh
http://www.salon.com...source=newsletter



Well, as of today, we know who wears the pants in the GOP. If you were wondering, it's not the party's elected officials.

Tuesday, Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.) criticized radio host Rush Limbaugh for his attacks on the party's congressional leadership. "I think that our leadership, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, are taking the right approach,” Gingrey told Politico. “I mean, it’s easy if you’re Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or even sometimes Newt Gingrich to stand back and throw bricks. You don’t have to try to do what’s best for your people and your party. You know you’re just on these talk shows and you’re living well and plus you stir up a bit of controversy and gin the base and that sort of that thing. But when it comes to true leadership, not that these people couldn’t be or wouldn’t be good leaders, they’re not in that position of John Boehner or Mitch McConnell."

One day later, apparently cowed by the angry response he received, Gingrey was singing a different tune. His office released this statement:


Because of the high volume of phone calls and correspondence received by my office since the Politico article ran, I wanted to take a moment to speak directly to grassroots conservatives. Let me assure you, I am one of you... As long as I am in the Congress, I will continue to fight for and defend our sacred values. I have actively opposed every bailout, every rebate check, every so called “stimulus.” And on so many of these things, I see eye-to-eye with Rush Limbaugh. Regardless of what yesterday’s headline may have read, I never told Rush to back off. I regret and apologize for the fact that my comments have offended and upset my fellow conservatives -- that was not my intent. I am also sorry to see that my comments in defense of our Republican Leadership read much harsher than they actually were intended, but I recognize it is my responsibility to clarify my own comments.

Now more than ever, we need to articulate a clear conservative message that distinguishes our values and our approach from those of liberal Democrats who are seeking to move our nation in the wrong direction. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and other conservative giants are the voices of the conservative movement’s conscience. Everyday, millions and millions of Americans -- myself included -- turn on their radios and televisions to listen to what they have to say, and we are inspired by their words and by their determination.



The congressman also called in to Limbaugh's show to apologize. "I want to express to you and all your listeners my very sincere regret for those comments I made yesterday… I clearly ended up putting my foot in my mouth… I regret those stupid comments," Gingrey said.
-- Alex Koppelman

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
-- H.L. Mencken
New Think the power here was combined
with Drudge.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Oh, yeah!
The marginalization is unstoppable.

That vote on the stimulus package showed exactly how far the Republicans are willing to take bipartisanship, how well they work and play with others. Karl Rove must be turning over in his grave. Which has to be distressing, since he isn't dead...

I just wonder what the new party will look like. There must always be two, no more, no less. I'm predicting the DLC splits off and replaces the Republicans.

New s/grave/coffin
Then you've got it right.
-Mike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New So you think their main question unfounded?
You don't consider 300M in STD funding "pork" in a economic stimulus bill?

Just curious..as one of the main planks in their platform was fighting against this sort of tactic.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Not the point
Whether the specifics of the bill are right or wrong is not the point. This story is about elected leaders calling radio talk show hosts to apologize for saying that elected leaders are the ones in charge.

If you'd like to talk about the facts of the stimulus package, feel free to use the "New Topic" button, conveniently located at the top of the page. This thread is about the on-air boot licking by an elected official.
--

Drew
New Follow the bouncing thread
[quote]That vote on the stimulus package showed exactly how far the Republicans are willing to take bipartisanship, how well they work and play with others. Karl Rove must be turning over in his grave. Which has to be distressing, since he isn't dead... [/quote]

That was what generated my question...directly linked to the post that contains it.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New I did
Ashton's quote -- oops, I see it was the entire article, bad Ashton -- was not about the stimulus package. It was about a congressman apologizing to a talk show host for pointing out that congress is supposed to be in charge.

mhuber's post, to which you responded, was not about the merits of the stimulus package. It was about the highly partisan nature of the Republicans in congress.

You are the one who introduced the merits of the package to this thread, trying to divert it from the point everyone else is discussing. Specifically: The Republicans in congress are taking their cues not from the alleged Republican leadership, but from talk show hosts. And those "voices of the conservative movement's conscience" are dictating strict partisanship and obstruction.
--

Drew
New you is correct
mark it on yer calendar son :-)
all fun aside, this "may" get the dog turds out of the republican party or create a new party that is fiscally conservative (whatever the hell that means anymore) socially blind and defense minded while protecting constitutional rights.
New Gee, thanks pops
--

Drew
New I can't wait
But I must say, I do have a difficult time seeing who might be the seed of such a party.


Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends! (Disk crashes notwithstanding...)
jb4
New Are they?
I believe that may be a chicken vs egg argument. Did Rush invent the argument, or did he get it from party sources and blow it out of proportion.

Was it Rush's show that made all R and a couple dozen D vote against...or was it the substance of his argument..and if the substance of his argument we go back to point 1. Did he invent it, or did he hear about it and bring it up?

Even so, was it Rush that convinced them ALL? or was it the substance of the bill?

I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Doesn't really matter
When a talk show host has the power, through his legions of fans, to exert that kind of pressure on congressmen ...

When a congressman calls to grovel and beg forgiveness for suggesting that Congress is in charge and not the talk show host ...

When the nominal Republican leadership doesn't stand up and say, "You're damn right we're in charge. And the Next member who apologizes for that fact is getting censured" ...

Then we really have a bigger problem than whatever is in the particular bill they're talking about.
--

Drew
New Do we really?
Those "legions of fans" are voters. Those congressmen that retort "we're in charge, not you" against those "legions of fans" are then saying what, exactly? "Thanks for your vote, now shut up and leave me alone!"?

Now there's a good message.

I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New His fans are a *portion* of the voters
There are a whole lot more voters who don't listen to him than there are who do listen to him. Pundits don't have to care about compromise or pragmatism. As long as they get enough people interested to make their ratings look good, they're happy. It doesn't matter to them whether their preferred policies are feasible, or whether they're acceptable to the majority of voters.

You know, pretty much exactly what the congressman said to start this whole thing off.

So no, it's not the same as saying, "Thanks for your vote, now shut up and leave me alone!" It's more like saying, "If you think Rush has such great ideas, tell him it's time to put up or shut up and run for office himself."
--

Drew
New {sigh}
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
-- H.L. Mencken
     Don't cross Rush Limbaugh - (Ashton) - (15)
         Think the power here was combined - (beepster)
         Oh, yeah! - (mhuber) - (13)
             s/grave/coffin - (mvitale)
             So you think their main question unfounded? - (beepster) - (11)
                 Not the point - (drook) - (10)
                     Follow the bouncing thread - (beepster) - (9)
                         I did - (drook) - (8)
                             you is correct - (boxley) - (2)
                                 Gee, thanks pops -NT - (drook)
                                 I can't wait - (jb4)
                             Are they? - (beepster) - (4)
                                 Doesn't really matter - (drook) - (3)
                                     Do we really? - (beepster) - (2)
                                         His fans are a *portion* of the voters - (drook) - (1)
                                             {sigh} -NT - (Ashton)

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