http://www.livingcit...g_city/fs_dev.htm
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
Linky.
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linky backatcha :-)
http://www.ausbcomp..../cars/carhist.htm
Steam power was widely used in the 1880's and 1890's on the farms of America. Cowley County had its share of these behemoths and had a large group of people with the ability to use, and the skill to fix and repair them. The smaller, less expensive automobile, with an internal combustion engine provided a new avenue of interest that was much more personal than the steam engine with its team of attendants. as you noticed the distinct lack of the mention of vehicles in your link the equal lack of the mention of horses in my link, your conclusion that cars were planned to eliminate horses in the city doesnt add up. That was a side effect, not a cause. thanx, bill |
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You're misreading me.
I simply said that something had to replace horses in large cities. Things that replaced them included trains and subways (powered by steam and later electricity), cable cars, buses, trucks, cars, etc. Yes, there were trains and cable cars and subways before the horses were eliminated.
http://www.apta.com/...tory/mileston.cfm But it wasn't until electric trains and gasoline and diesel powered vehicles took off that horses became much less popular in cities. A modern city cannot function with draft animals providing most of the power. Some type of machine had to replace them. Cheers, Scott. |
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It appears I did misread you
Draft animals and large cities can work, the horse is not one of them. Machines can help but also hinder. Co-operative mechanical delivery to central depots followed by individual delivery by consumers works best. Think NYC no real nead for a car unless leaving the city. Some people like to live like that. Im not one of them. I think waste recycling should be decentralized. Units that collect the waste in a building use it to generate heat and electricity before taking balance elsewhey for further processing would be useful.
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A modern city cannot function
with millions of cars providing most of the power.
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Hansen predicts new global temperature record in next 4 yrs.
- (Another Scott)
- (34)
- Dec. 22, 2008, 10:16:06 PM EST
aw, heck, never you mind
- (rcareaga)
- (1)
- Dec. 22, 2008, 10:34:20 PM EST
hansen doesnt give a flying fsck about warming
- (boxley)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 08:23:14 AM EST
There seem to be several candidates for run-away scenario --
- (Ashton)
- Dec. 22, 2008, 11:39:45 PM EST
<devil's advocate>Look at it this way
- (pwhysall)
- (12)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 02:12:12 AM EST
It's the rate of change that's the problem.
- (Another Scott)
- (11)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 08:19:18 AM EST
Hansen can say what he likes.
- (pwhysall)
- (10)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 09:06:10 AM EST
Good points.
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 01:26:18 PM EST
Agreed, the 'geo-psycho'-demographic can't be ignored
- (Ashton)
- (8)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 05:37:32 PM EST
Thought experiment, and a question.
- (pwhysall)
- (7)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 03:45:40 AM EST
It might be useful to look to history.
- (Another Scott)
- (6)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 07:27:02 AM EST
let me guess, history isnt your strong point.
- (boxley)
- (5)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 08:31:53 AM EST
Linky.
- (Another Scott)
- (4)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 09:39:55 AM EST
linky backatcha :-)
- (boxley)
- (3)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 09:49:51 AM EST
You're misreading me.
- (Another Scott)
- (2)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 10:06:33 AM EST
It appears I did misread you
- (boxley)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 10:31:13 AM EST
A modern city cannot function
- (mhuber)
- Dec. 26, 2008, 07:07:16 PM EST
Nother, why do you trust anything this guy puts out?
- (boxley)
- (17)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 08:33:15 AM EST
Why? Because he knows what he's talking about.
- (Another Scott)
- (16)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 01:25:28 PM EST
Re: Why? Because he knows what he's talking about.
- (boxley)
- (15)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 01:41:56 PM EST
Got a problem with decimals?
- (Ashton)
- (14)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 05:02:12 PM EST
insignificant lot less than< 20%
- (boxley)
- (13)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 08:44:11 PM EST
If Hansen were looking to get rich, he wouldn't be at NASA.
- (Another Scott)
- (12)
- Dec. 23, 2008, 09:22:25 PM EST
If hansen wasnt at nasa he would find it hard to get a job
- (boxley)
- (11)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 08:29:35 AM EST
Hansen's CV
- (Another Scott)
- (6)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 09:27:22 AM EST
does he believe than c02 belched from a volcano
- (boxley)
- (5)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 09:35:03 AM EST
We've been through volcanoes multiple times, Box.
- (Another Scott)
- (4)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 09:45:10 AM EST
nice duck there,
-NT
- (boxley)
- (3)
- Dec. 24, 2008, 09:50:18 AM EST
.. if you think a duck resembles a coffin-nail, perhaps.
-NT
- (Ashton)
- (2)
- Dec. 25, 2008, 01:13:45 AM EST
point==missed
- (boxley)
- (1)
- Dec. 25, 2008, 08:52:31 AM EST
You, and they, apparently misunderstand the argument.
- (Another Scott)
- Dec. 25, 2008, 09:40:41 AM EST
re all the ad hominems: prend moi tel que je suis
- (Ashton)
- (3)
- Dec. 26, 2008, 02:44:16 AM EST
so lets pretend shall we?
- (boxley)
- (2)
- Dec. 26, 2008, 10:25:33 AM EST
Is it that you don't read for comprehension
- (Ashton)
- (1)
- Dec. 26, 2008, 04:57:46 PM EST
my bad, just saw the pnemonia, HIV causes aids?
- (boxley)
- Dec. 26, 2008, 05:44:10 PM EST