Post #300,105
11/20/08 8:30:10 PM
11/20/08 8:30:36 PM
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Well, so much for that prognostication.
Shortly after oil crossed $100/B, I recall saying on Z that I thought we would see $150/B oil before we saw $50/B oil again. Although it was close, the markets proved me wrong today.
It's a good thing I don't make investments based on my musings. ;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #300,118
11/20/08 9:42:27 PM
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dont worry, you will see it again
all the investment in securing new supplies just came to a screetching halt
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Post #300,124
11/20/08 10:45:57 PM
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I think we'll see $200/B before we see $25/B again.
I won't bet a cent on it, though.
If oil drops to $25/B it means that either:
1) The dollar becomes stupendously overvalued.
2) Oil demand nearly dries up completely.
3) The magic fungus that makes oil is commercialized and so efficient that it's cheaper to make it that way than get it from the ground and refine it. http://www.newscient...l-production.html
4) Something else.
I don't think any of those first 3 things are going to happen any time soon. I expect some pretty massive stimulus pretty soon - enough to keep China and much of the rest of the world going at a reasonable clip while the US works it way through the aftermath of the housing and "Default Swaps" bubble.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #300,331
11/26/08 2:09:23 PM
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I'd take REAL good odds on #4
Loki is running the world.
The ascending astrological sign is the rubber chicken.
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Post #300,144
11/21/08 9:00:22 AM
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I wasn't expecting it to go this low ever
I wasn't expecting oil to go this low ever again. Declining supply and increasing global demand and all that.
What I didn't account for is that the global oil production and shipping system is actually inflexible, but pricing is flexible. That means when demand goes south, the market can get glutted quickly and prices can collapse.
I don't think it will stay in the sub $50 range for long though. At that price there are oil producers who are loosing money, and once they fill their current contracts they will begin cutting the tap.
Jay
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Post #300,148
11/21/08 9:06:27 AM
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dont remember $9 a barrel?
when we had 60 major oil companies in the US and now we have 2 because of that. It can happen again, dont believe all of that running out crap, that was pushed by an agenda that has temporarily been bypassed by events.
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Post #300,151
11/21/08 10:20:53 AM
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Dunno.
Things are very different now compared to the late 1990s. China and India are rapidly growing and the middle classes are going to want cars.
http://news.xinhuane...ntent_7414628.htm
BEIJING, Jan. 13 (Xinhua) -- Auto production and sales in China both surged more than 20 percent to a record 8.8 million units in 2007, despite slackening sales in global markets, an industry group said Sunday.
China's automakers rolled out 8.88 million motor vehicles last year, up 22.02 percent from a year earlier, according to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.
Total vehicle sales jumped 21.84 percent year-on-year to 8.79 million units in the world's second largest car market after the United States, twice the figure in 2003.
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Currently, vehicle ownership in China was 44 for every 1,000 people, he said. This was compared with the world average of 120. The United States has 750 vehicles for every 1,000 people.
Dong said China's car market has huge potential as the economy continues to grow rapidly and the government tries to encourage people to spend money.
China had 57 million motor vehicles by the end of last year. Among them were only 15.2 million privately-owned cars, according to latest government figures.
If China ends up being only half as automobile-ized as the US, and its population doesn't increase beyond 1.3 B, that's still about 500 M cars and they're going to need a lot of oil even if they get 50 mpg.
And, yes, Hubbert's Peak still applies - like it or not.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3720
There may be other ways to get hydrocarbon fuels, but the traditional way of finding deposits and pumping it out of the ground is slowly playing itself out. There aren't huge, easy to exploit, fields out there any more. I think the price of oil will be volatile, but over the next 10 years I don't see the trend in prices doing much but increasing.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #300,152
11/21/08 10:23:53 AM
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thats what you said last year :-)
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Post #300,156
11/21/08 10:27:22 AM
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Hey, I admit I'm bad at the timing. ;-)
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Post #300,210
11/23/08 1:59:20 PM
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I had a boss who was ALWAYS right
about everything.
Except when.
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