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Post #29,995 by Another Scott 2/27/02 12:49:15 PM Reply	Recall the full quote. Hi Drew, I believe this all started with him claiming that we are able to approach "truth" through observation. Not that we can know it, but that it is possible to come to a closer approimation of it. I don't have a qualm with that. But that's not all of what he said. In the [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=29408\|first post] in this thread. Some of us look at the evidence and infer a Truth that is independent of what we may wish to believe. A person's view of "Truth" will nearly always be colored by their beliefs no matter how objective they try to be. IMHO. That's my objection to his sweeping statement. More in my comment at the bottom of the thread ([link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=29946\|here]). Cheers, Scott.
Post #29,996 by drewk 2/27/02 12:59:23 PM Reply	I don't see the problem Again, he's saying that some people "infer a Truth." I can read that either that they infer that there is a Truth, or that they infer what (they believe) that Truth to be. Either way, it's an inferrence. And if, as the rest of the quote says, that inferrence is at odds with what they would like to believe, isn't that evidence of not being a slave to their preconceptions? I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make. I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
Post #29,998 by Brandioch 2/27/02 1:08:11 PM Reply	So why can't you answer my question? What is "The Truth" about people? When you can answer that, you'll be able to see the flaw in your reasoning.

Truth, facts, and sour grapes. - (marlowe) - (64) - Feb. 22, 2002, 02:04:55 PM EST

And that's your "Truth"? - (Brandioch) - (28) - Feb. 22, 2002, 03:08:32 PM EST

For those who need to think in concrete terms. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 22, 2002, 03:29:04 PM EST

Planet of the Whiners. - (marlowe) - (2) - Feb. 22, 2002, 03:42:35 PM EST

Reply to my other post, then. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:13:02 PM EST

Whiners and the truth - (nking) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:20:57 PM EST

To illustrate it with math. - (Brandioch) - (23) - Feb. 22, 2002, 06:17:43 PM EST

It's not a coin toss for all of us. - (marlowe) - (22) - Feb. 23, 2002, 08:38:40 AM EST

Before you go... If I may... - (Another Scott) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2002, 09:32:44 AM EST

Don't forget the initial assumptions. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 23, 2002, 12:36:03 PM EST

If that's really his point... - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 02:54:06 PM EST

Reality just doesn't exist for you, does it? - (Brandioch) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:47:55 PM EST

No random chance here - (nking) - Feb. 23, 2002, 12:31:35 PM EST

You still don't want to see the facts. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 23, 2002, 12:40:16 PM EST

Some people have to lie to get to the truth - (nking) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2002, 06:20:05 PM EST

One more time... - (mhuber) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2002, 05:31:05 PM EST

That wasn't the big one - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2002, 05:38:29 PM EST

I see that as a condemnation of - (mhuber) - Feb. 26, 2002, 06:30:54 PM EST

Once.. such hubris might have been entertaining - (Ashton) - (7) - Feb. 23, 2002, 06:00:19 PM EST

How hubristic of you to presume you know better than I. - (marlowe) - (6) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:46:44 PM EST

Marlowe defeated the Nazis? - (Brandioch) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:54:05 PM EST

Ah.. there's the root/rub: John Dewey Pragmatism lives! - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:00:28 PM EST

I'm still waiting for him to explain Clinton. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Feb. 26, 2002, 04:10:47 PM EST

Attila got even More done.. - (Ashton) - Feb. 26, 2002, 05:25:39 PM EST

Only on planet Brandioch. - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:00:13 AM EST

Thus proving my point. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:54:04 AM EST

Another illustration - The Placebo Effect. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:38:53 PM EST

Re: "The Truth" according to the Rev. Ashcroft. - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 24, 2002, 01:09:51 PM EST

Oops - blong under Alex, re Ashcroft - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 05:21:40 PM EST

Yes, one can always hope for s sense of humor. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 24, 2002, 05:45:52 PM EST

A relevant fact you should note - (ben_tilly) - (29) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:35:52 PM EST

Re: A relevant fact you should note - (Steve Lowe) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:47:23 PM EST

Duly noted. - (marlowe) - (27) - Feb. 22, 2002, 04:55:17 PM EST

Mrs. Scarlett, in the library, with the candlestick. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 22, 2002, 05:29:09 PM EST

Since this is the Religion, Philosophy and Meta - (screamer) - (25) - Feb. 25, 2002, 01:41:21 PM EST

Real life is the reference point. - (marlowe) - (24) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:28:03 PM EST

Real life? Who's real life? - (screamer) - (2) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:21:33 PM EST

The sun'll come up tomorrow... - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:48:43 AM EST

When I think of a day that grey and lonely... - (screamer) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:59:03 AM EST

Oh, and by the way, did you even read my post? - (screamer) - (20) - Feb. 26, 2002, 11:42:00 PM EST

You realize you're agreeing with him? - (drewk) - (19) - Feb. 27, 2002, 09:06:21 AM EST

To quote Professor Jones. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:34:36 AM EST

Too easy - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:57:53 AM EST

Which brings us back to "The Truth" (please note the "T"'s) - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 11:29:02 AM EST

I'm affraid I can't give you that point entirely... - (screamer) - (12) - Feb. 27, 2002, 11:52:25 AM EST

Certainty != Truth - (drewk) - (11) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:26:46 PM EST

Shame on me... Semantics 101 - (screamer) - (10) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:13:29 PM EST

What I meant - (drewk) - (9) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:30:33 PM EST

It's good to see you finally joining me. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:39:04 PM EST

Gee, tough question - (drewk) - (5) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:06:51 PM EST

Ah, another "proof" of my point. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:24:57 PM EST

Your point is rather dull - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 27, 2002, 03:50:34 PM EST

Re-read your posts. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 04:23:50 PM EST

No need - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 04:52:13 PM EST

Yes you do need to. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 05:22:43 PM EST

Fair. - (screamer) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 02:05:42 PM EST

What we clever animals are up to - (Ashton) - Feb. 27, 2002, 10:19:12 PM EST

Recall the full quote. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:49:15 PM EST

I don't see the problem - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 12:59:23 PM EST

So why can't you answer my question? - (Brandioch) - Feb. 27, 2002, 01:08:11 PM EST

Having read for comprehension, with all previous judgments - (Ashton) - Feb. 22, 2002, 07:04:24 PM EST

a couple of thoughts - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2002, 12:08:24 AM EST

Well, that's what you get for not doing a reality check. - (marlowe) - Feb. 26, 2002, 03:36:19 PM EST

But you can't. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2002, 08:17:09 AM EST

You even quoted it - (drewk) - Feb. 27, 2002, 09:10:14 AM EST

Man, what a sad thing to be known for...
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