They were nice words.

Post #298,995 by Another Scott 11/4/08 11:53:33 PM Reply	They were nice words. I wasn't moved by them, though. He ran a terribly cynical campaign and threw lots of incendiary charges around (like ACORN being a threat to democracy), hoping to find something that would let him win. It didn't work, and now he is trying to appear to be statesmanlike. I will be watching his actions. It'll take more than a speech for me to come to feel that his words genuinely meant anything. Cynically, Scott.
Post #299,004 by drook 11/5/08 8:58:03 AM Reply	How about the crowds At McCain's speech, when he mentioned Obama's name there was a loud round of "Boo"s. He had to shush them twice. At Obama's, when he mentioned McCain there was polite applause. You can't attribute this to a disciplined campaign staff. This was tens of thousands of people in a public venue.
Post #299,005 by beepster 11/5/08 9:03:50 AM Reply	Much easier for winner to be gracious it would have been much worse had the results been opposite.
Post #299,007 by folkert 11/5/08 9:46:07 AM Reply	Re: Much easier for winner to be gracious You mean more rabble rousing at Obama's concession speech? Or more rabble rousing at McCain's acceptance speech? Not that I am picking, I just want to make sure of your point.
Post #299,011 by a6l6e6x 11/5/08 11:04:40 AM Reply	How about overturned cars, fires, and looting? It could have happened.
Post #299,013 by beepster 11/5/08 11:19:36 AM Reply	You got it Thoughts were that an Obama loss would not have been viewed favorably in some places prone to that sort of thing.
Post #299,019 by crazy 11/5/08 12:29:40 PM Reply	It would be appropriate A rational result to another stolen election.
Post #299,022 by folkert 11/5/08 1:45:48 PM Reply	OW... I still am holding out for a November / Early December Surprise. IOW, a way to take emergency powers and keep the current regime in power for as long as 2 years. Martial Law will SUCK.
Post #299,023 by boxley 11/5/08 1:51:51 PM Reply	the electoral college hasnt voted yet keep yer hopes up :-) Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #299,027 by folkert 11/5/08 3:15:08 PM Reply	Not what I meant... They will let the Electoral College do its thing. Thank just nullify any power/regime changes until they see fit.
Post #299,028 by boxley 11/5/08 3:22:51 PM Reply	I knew what you meant USSC may get involved again on the question of whether Obama is qualified to be president, Stephen's didnt totally blow the case away. It would give the cabal the escuse they need Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #299,034 by malraux 11/5/08 4:29:44 PM Reply	How would that resolve? Biden as President? or McCain? Regards, -scott <i>Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.</i>
Post #299,039 by boxley 11/5/08 6:18:38 PM Reply	depends, prior to the electoral college Biden would go to the front of the ticket and pick a veep, after the house would challenge the electors and refuse to accept their totals, that would leave pelosi as temp pres until the house put forward their nominated candidate with the senate confirming same. If the senate balks Pelosi stays in the job rinse lather repeat until a president is chosen or the next election cycle. Now if the USSC declares Obama not to meet qualifications and america starts burning to the ground Cheney & co would seize the government under the new laws (that obama signed on for ) last year Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #299,049 by folkert 11/5/08 9:19:44 PM Reply	Cuyahoga County Ohio went for the Biden vote. I know a few people that voted for Obama/Biden, because they assume that Obama will be assassinated and then Biden to be president. Sick and Sad and True.
Post #299,015 by mhuber 11/5/08 11:24:57 AM Reply	Those happen at victory parties too.
Post #299,016 by boxley 11/5/08 11:29:43 AM Reply	yup, with iverson joining the pistons detroit has a good chance of burning down in the playoffs Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #299,033 by malraux 11/5/08 4:27:37 PM Reply	People were a lot more emotionally invested in Obama's campaign than McCain's. The results of a loss would have been commensurately more explosive. Regards, -scott <i>Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.</i>
Post #299,014 by mhuber 11/5/08 11:24:12 AM Reply	No rabble rousing at either speech that I saw All the rabble rousing was done before the victory or defeat. The Obama crowds were more gracious. And while it is easier for an individual to be gracious in victory than in defeat, victorious crowds in general are no more generous to their opponents than defeated crowds. The Obama crowd did not turn gracious because they won, and the McCain crowd did not turn ugly because it lost. They were that way because of the way the campaigns were run. I give McCain some points for a fine and gracious concession speech. But then I remember all the ominous music and scary graphics that ended with that uber-creepy "...and I approve this message" coming from the 3/4 from below view of the Fearless Leader face, and the dissonance is not in accord with any kind of personal integrity, particularly from one who brags about Straight Talk. --------------- John McCain's face, when seen from a normal angle under normal light, is not a Fearless Leader face. The graphics people did some fine work there, and if I were making a splatter version of 1984 I'd look them up.
Post #299,018 by folkert 11/5/08 12:13:44 PM Reply	This is the point I was trying to get across Not that I wanted to make trouble. But the Obama/Biden crowd has always been more gracious and upbeat. Where as McCain/Palin has been about rousting up the crowd to a feverish pitch, which leads to "Kill him" comments from the crowd that were not quelled at all (in previous rallies)... Individuals are smart and uncanny creatures able to think smartly. Crowds are dumb reactive and very dangerous. Crowds are very easily lead or pushed to do things individuals wouldn't.
Post #299,031 by Ashton 11/5/08 4:19:40 PM Reply	Exactly so, that last. And anyone running for public office who does not GROK TO FULLNESS that vital POINT -- has already proven unfit to 'lead' anything larger than a Chihuahua on a leash. The Mob burned the Library at Alexandria after flaying-alive Hypatia; that was no myth - that happened. '08 mobs have techno-assist + not a single extra neurons/unit than that earlier mob. Why is it that so much of this class of behavior has now, for all good recent historical examples -- become inextricably associated with ANY Repo 'campaign'? (Rove, as McCarthy and Father Coughlan before.. merely reached into their gelatinous mass and found the most concise form of expression of the core-putrescence seen - and patented it.) Göbbels did that-all with more polish, but with the same misanthropic viciousness. Rove is too vain to acknowledge his mentor. But we can. May he and Cheney Know Shame, for the First Time ... before they expire. (Rush has Seen his disease - why else the constant need for numbing drugs?)
Post #299,081 by drook 11/6/08 10:32:02 AM Reply	Exactly how I saw it "And while it is easier for an individual to be gracious in victory than in defeat, victorious crowds in general are no more generous to their opponents than defeated crowds. The Obama crowd did not turn gracious because they won, and the McCain crowd did not turn ugly because it lost. They were that way because of the way the campaigns were run." That's the key thing. It shows the kind of support they cultivated.
Post #299,032 by malraux 11/5/08 4:26:39 PM Reply	Yep. I made that same point to my wife when she made that observation. Regards, -scott <i>Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.</i>

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