Post #297,821
10/10/08 11:45:43 PM
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Some of the things I noticed.
I didn't read the whole thing in detail. I skimmed it, but I did notice a few things:
The summary of the first finding on pages 65-68.
Her attorney general didn't cooperate with the investigation (pages 74-76).
But in general, the report is a perfect illustration of what she's really like as a politician when she's challenged. When it had no cost, she claimed she was going to cooperate with the investigation. When it turned out she couldn't control it, she and McCain fought it every step of the way (since August 29).
Again, she had the right to fire Monegan. She didn't have the right to do the other stuff - she broke the law in doing so. (Like Bush had the right to fire the US Attorneys, but he didn't have the right to break the law in the process.)
Time will tell whether the report has any impact on what happens to her and her administration.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #297,822
10/10/08 11:50:08 PM
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loverly weaseling
you invited me to read the entire report, I did and found where the conclusions were not supported by the body of the document, she didnt break the law and branchflower was very clear in the details why she didnt, but that doesnt matter does it, the smear has been made and you will accept the party line. Pity I was hoping for an apparent much ado about nothing remark, but oh, well, you keep drinking the obama kewlaid, the rest of us are gonna hunker down. Noticed not much of a response to ashton's post tying obama to the financial industry, dont worry. He will take care of you after he takes care of them
thanx,
bill
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Post #297,823
10/11/08 12:02:00 AM
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Have you read Mudflats about it?
You're trying very hard to shoot the messenger (Branchflower) without considering all the rest of the context.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/the-release-of-the-branchflower-report/
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By this time it had become pretty apparent that the vote would pass, and sure enough as the list was read, we realized the ruling was unanimous. I have to say I wasnÂt expecting that.
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If it were a report from an out of control political hack, as you seem to think, why was the ruling on the report unanimous?
Sorry that I haven't had time to follow everyone's posts in detail today. Life is like that sometime. ;-)
Enjoy.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #297,827
10/11/08 9:30:02 AM
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you need to drink some coffee, did you read what they passed
they voted unanimously to RELEASE THE REPORT TO THE PUBLIC!!!!! how the fuck do you take that to be derogatory!
shoot the messenger WTF I read the full report while you skimmed it. Provided line item point to show there is no there there, you provide a 3rd party non alaskan non report to justify what? that you neither read nor understood or cared about the report in any way except to prove out your preconceived prejudices. You must have a job in the public sector :-)
thanx,
bill
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Post #297,828
10/11/08 9:47:15 AM
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I don't like coffee.
Morning, Box.
Yes, it was a vote to release the report. My point was, if it really was a hatchet job, do you think they would have done that? It was done in their name, after all.
Yes, you pointed out sections you disagreed with. That's fine. I'm not a lawyer so I can't say whether your interpretation is plausible. You're entitled to your opinion. :-)
AFAIK, Mudflats is written by an Alaskan.
If you don't like my take, how about ADN's? http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/552799.html
If I don't seem to have much passion on this topic, it's because 1) I'm not invested in it and I don't want to spend much time on it, 2) It's not going to matter anyway because she's not going to win a national office (at least not this time), 3) I'm not persuasive enough to change your opinion.
So, don't let me get under your skin about this, 'K? Enjoy your weekend. :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #297,829
10/11/08 10:32:09 AM
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Re: I don't like coffee.
"Yes, it was a vote to release the report. My point was, if it really was a hatchet job, do you think they would have done that? It was done in their name, after all. "
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Uh, they would have been hung drawn and quartered if any dared not to release it. Last elective office at least for a no vote. you didnt mention that in your post leaving an impression that the report was agreed with or acted upon in some way.
reading the adn take on the story many even democrat law makers said there is no there there.
the biggest problem shown in the report and explains immediately why the guy was fired is his immediate actions
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Today, the Alaska State Troopers number approximately 240 commissioned and 190 civilian personnel. The Troopers' major components are five Detachments, a Bureau of Alcohol and Drug Enforcement and a Bureau of Investigation (founded in 1971 as Criminal Investigation Bureau).
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Now you know that one of only 240 people totally piss your boss off you have the Gall to have her sign a photo of this guy for "OUTSTANDING TROOPER" and you are surprised when you get fired? Put yourself in that situation, an underling comes to you with a picture of someone you hate, and they know it, wanting you to endorse the person. Fucker would be gone in a heartbeat. Cmon now, how do you justify that kind of behavior
thanx,
bill
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Post #297,834
10/11/08 1:03:38 PM
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Where you stand depends on where you sit.
Hi Box,
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Now you know that one of only 240 people totally piss your boss off you have the Gall to have her sign a photo of this guy for "OUTSTANDING TROOPER" and you are surprised when you get fired?
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There's Wooten's side of that in pages 154 - 158. I don't think that he was trying to get her riled up, he sounded happy that she was going to be at the event - why would he antagonize her? My impression of him, from TV interviews and my skimming of the report, is that he *went out of his way* to follow the rules about disciplining Wooten and tried to impress upon her, Todd, and others, that the process had run its course and there was nothing else he could do. But they just kept pushing...
9-10 weeks before he was fired / demoted / transferred / whatever you want to call it, she was praising him at a conference (p. 151-153). Later, they came up with the excuses about the budget, the trip to DC, etc. Coupled with the fact that at his firing, that they didn't give him anything other than keep repeating "different direction" (pages 171-180) tells me that Monegan had a stronger case about his actions over those 18 months than they did. He may have been a poor manager - who knows. But I don't think there's anything in the record about his actions regarding Wooten that shows anything other than care and respect for the law.
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Put yourself in that situation, an underling comes to you with a picture of someone you hate, and they know it, wanting you to endorse the person. Fucker would be gone in a heartbeat. Cmon now, how do you justify that kind of behavior
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See above.
She could have fired him for any reason at any time. When questioned about it, she and her campaign have given several reasons. If there was no problem with the firing, why has the story changed? E.g. see Josh's summary, from August:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php
Just to close things out, here's what I believe about this whole affair:
0) Palin could fire Monegan at any time, for any reason. If she was pissed off about the picture, she could throw him overboard without any criticism from me (other than the pettiness of it).
1) I don't believe that Wooten is as evil as the Palins paint him. I do believe he *may* have shown bad judgment on several occasions, but there were circumstances that paint the events as not being as bad as Todd and others state (e.g. family being around at the moose killing; his low-power taser demonstration; etc.) I trust that Wooten was treated as others on the force were treated during the investigation unless there's evidence otherwise, but I have no evidence either way. Unless we can make comparisons to disciplinary actions against others in similar circumstances, we'll never know.
2) An elected executive should *never* use their power to force subordinates to intervene in personal matters. She and Todd had no business inquiring about Wooten and trying to get him fired. It's an abuse of power. End of story.
3) Palin, and McCain, have shown contempt for a legal investigation through their interference with it. It reflects badly on them and it's more evidence of the danger they would be in the White House.
4) I don't really expect any further action from the Alaska legislature on this. But I expect that this case, and the way she's handled it, will damage her chances for re-election in Alaska. How much? Who knows.
My $0.02. You can have the last word.
Cheers,
Scott.
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