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New Interesting supposition...(good read)
...[link|http://blogsofwar.blogspot.com/?/2002_02_17_blogsofwar_archive.html#9996252|but not everyone agrees with you]


Immediately after Sept. 11 I started reading outrageous statements from prominent leftists that shocked and saddened me. The Left does not speak for me on this issue. I find Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, Noam Chomsky, Katha Politt, Susan Sontag et al's attempts to blame the U.S. for this mass murder ideologically weak and morally absurd. I have never felt more clearly my alienation from political movements in this country than I do now. To analyze the causation of the terrorists' actions is to accept their violence as a legitimate political expression.


A very good read.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Hmmm. I disagree on several points
The idea that attempting to understand is excusing, for example. I have a pretty good grasp, I think, of what the terrorists were trying to accomplish. Pretty much the same as the KKK, really. I don't think my realizing that they are a bunch of bigots constitutes excusing their crimes.

The WTO remains a bad implimentation of a good idea, if you accept the PR. Frankly, it looks to me like an unwitting setup for a very large revolution that could pretty much take out the entire Western Civilization, but I have high hopes that petty squabbles between nations will keep it from getting to "let them eat cake - on the Internet!".

I didn't vote for Nader on his own terms. He was telling people not to vote for the lesser of two evils. I decided not to vote for the lesser of three.

I'm quite annoyed with the automatic Left. I'm watching the regime veer from the War on Terrorism to the War on All We Don't Like. And having blown their credibility asking "why" when the answers was still burning, there isn't going to be any valid critique going on. Kind of like when the Clinton-bashers were so busy sniffing the blue dress that he got away with all kinds of foreign policy and economic nonsense without anybody noticing. The dog was being wagged, but which was the tail?

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"You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
New Well written
Emotionally sane and - intellectually honest, mostly. Multiply her anguish by the constellation of 'others', each of the victims. (But don't forget, while thinking of that - the victims in Nicargua, Guatemala, etc. People just as dead - just not so spectacularly. And no one to write eloquently of, even a few).

As an Econ type, you surely note the rather simplistic view she limns of "jobs - at Any cost" (of Corporate self-aggrandizement? say?). This cannot be simplied to such a slogan, but her points cannot be dismissed - either. And it's her story she tells, not anyone else's.

YAN illustration of the follies of labels like Left/Right (fortunately she stays with just the L-half of the dichotomy, and her own experience of that, as she grew 'up').

While I am as sure (as she) that there remain some people who still imagine the SLA et al - represented something other than a specialized-madness.. it is good that she speaks of the others - who still manage to question rote-Authority, and National performance all along - without making the leap..

"We Deserved WTC" QED.

When you parse the 'We' in that, and our antediluvian concepts of 'Deserve' - that I believe, is where the language fails.

Chomsky is a caricature; Moore was great at lampooning the hypocrisy of a GM and its cardboard-CIEIO - and much else. Taking either as political theorists is as unwise as taking the perverse inner world of Jerry Falwell as 'a good way to live here'.

An idiot is an idiot. These L/R labels didn't work and won't work -- hence dialogue about any workable political principles in Murica, remains a chimerical wish. Maybe the fact of 9/11 eventually - shall purge both houses of their most inane mouthings; shock 'us' into actually communicating about reforms (?)

Maybe.. but that would be unprecedented! and language has suffered greatly prior-to and throughout the ".com" language-warping as a Bizness staple. We'd have to make intentional and regular efforts to undo some of that 'innovation' before talk could even begin, without the slogans.


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Ashton
New We did not deserve the WTC attacks
and beefing up security at the airports could have prevented the attacks. It is an insult that they snuck on boxcutters and used fake IDs to get into the country and get on the planes. This should not have happened if security and the government had been on the job and not asleep at the wheel. While I blame the terrorists for the attacks, I have to place some of the responsibility for the attacks on the US Government and the company running the security of the airports for not being able to detect or stop the terrorists.

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
     A majority of the fault of Sept 11 lies on - (nking) - (44)
         Why, then, do they work for the greedy corps? - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
             Re: Why, then, do they work for the greedy corps? - (dmarker2)
             But I don't see that happening. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                 They way it really is - (nking) - (1)
                     Remember our own industrial revolution. - (Brandioch)
         The truth shall set you free - (Ashton)
         What a crock - (gtall) - (19)
             We live in a world filled with lies - (nking) - (18)
                 Re: We live in a world filled with lies - (Ashton) - (2)
                     Lies R Us - (nking) - (1)
                         I have a simple solution... - (screamer)
                 Barter doesn't work - that's why we have money. - (Andrew Grygus) - (14)
                     Coupons! - (nking) - (13)
                         Yeah! Coupons! Hey, I've got this great idea! - (Ric Locke) - (11)
                             Not realy - (nking) - (10)
                                 So, I guess you're going to run right out . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (9)
                                     Her Wryness the LRPD sez: "Escape from the prison planet." -NT - (Ashton)
                                     Cheaper than a cash register POS system - (nking) - (7)
                                         Holes you could drive a planet through. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                                             Forget it then! - (nking) - (5)
                                                 Norm...you do realize... - (Simon_Jester)
                                                 dont forget to email me which bridge you and doc - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     I will do that - (nking)
                                                 Ya know. - (altmann) - (1)
                                                     It is not about that - (nking)
                         Norm - here's your idea in action - (SpiceWare)
         Growlf...your right...but your reasons are wrong. - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
             Correct.._____and correct. - (Ashton)
             Yeah, we robbed bin Laden blind. - (marlowe) - (1)
                 Didn't you argue... - (Simon_Jester)
         I kinda see your point.... - (Mike) - (9)
             Bravo!______..and, that's just the Short List_____ -NT - (Ashton)
             It is very simple to understand - (nking) - (7)
                 What's up with that? ____Why merely: - (Ashton) - (4)
                     One thing for sure - (nking) - (3)
                         Not Them.. Us!_____Still looking for a scapegoat? - (Ashton) - (2)
                             Just living costs money - (nking)
                             One of the reasons.... - (Mike)
                 Oh really. - (wharris2) - (1)
                     Not to mention... - (rsf)
         Interesting supposition...(good read) - (bepatient) - (3)
             Hmmm. I disagree on several points - (mhuber)
             Well written - (Ashton) - (1)
                 We did not deserve the WTC attacks - (nking)

I'm trying to figure out what the proportion of "friendliness" to "menace" is in that post.
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