Post #295,507
11/2/07 3:42:13 PM
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gay pagan responds to christian right
[link|http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58463|http://www.worldnetd...?ARTICLE_ID=58463] However, I like looking at things with a different point of view. And here's mine. Jesus was gay. I mean, he had 12 men following him around calling themselves his "disciples." Kinda kinky if you ask me. What's that? Mary Magdalene? You mean that lady that some say was his wife/lover? Well, the official position of your church states she was a whore, a prostitute \ufffd although in all likelihood she was his faghag. Kinda adds new meaning to the gay agenda. gotta give an a fer effort :-) thanx, bill Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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Post #295,508
11/2/07 3:57:44 PM
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Sentient LRPD
"are we not men?
well, no, as it turns out. We are Devo"
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Post #295,509
11/2/07 4:01:40 PM
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Lucky we didn't say anything about the dirty knife.
Also though:
I had to wonder. What does a Drag Sheep wear? Wolf's clothing?
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Post #295,510
11/2/07 4:14:40 PM
11/2/07 4:22:42 PM
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A little premature, I think . . .
. . since so far no halfway solid evidence of Jesus' actual physical existence has been found in modern times, nor was Origen able to find any only 200 years after the (presumed) fact, though he searched diligently.
It is my understanding that at one point the records of Pontius Pilate's court were examined and no evidence of the judgment of Jesus was found.
So before declaring Jesus to be queer, it seems appropriate first to determine if he was an actual physical person and/or to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is possible for a mythical entity to be queer.
I would like to point out, however, that at the time of the founding of Christianity the actual physical existence of Jesus would not have been considered that relevant. The literal viewpoint that fuels the search for hard evidence is relatively recent. Even in Origen's case he was more interested in establishing exact locations of events as sites for shrines.
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Post #295,511
11/2/07 4:24:45 PM
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cmon, Loki Apollo Hermes Heracles djinn mohammed's buddy
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Post #295,513
11/2/07 5:18:12 PM
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There are many that feel that Jesus was an anagram
of some sort. (I would have to ask my knowledgeable friend again.) At any rate, the theory is that "Jesus" was more of a movement consisting of many people, not a single man. The myth was perpetuated by the Catholic Church in order to exert control through mysticism when Constatine converted to Christianity.
Something like that.
Let the games begin.
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,515
11/2/07 7:55:05 PM
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It's always a bit suspicious when you have a Savior . . .
. . who's given name translates to something like "Savior" in it's original form and language.
Christianity is a pastiche of what was going around in its day so there's no reason Jesus couldn't be a pastiche as well. In any case there were groups describing themselves as "Christians" for many years before birth of Jesus "the Christ".
Again, at the time it wouldn't have been particularly important whether he was a real person or not - people just weren't so literal as they are now.
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Post #295,527
11/3/07 12:56:08 AM
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Catholics more or less invented literalism
The Catholic church more or less invented the idea of taking religion literally because you can't centralize a mystic religion.
The Roman empire had discovered that you could politically manage and run a religion through the government, but nobody would take it seriously. And you could have a mystic religion with deep faith that the masses believed in.
It was the Catholics who figured out how to combine the two via literalism and faith in the unexplainable.
Jay
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Post #295,529
11/3/07 3:10:45 AM
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The Romans had a sensible policy despite their arrogance.
"Any religion you like - one government - Rome".
This policy ran into problems in two instances - where religion and government were one and the same - Druidism and Judaism.
The Druids decided they could live with the Roman deal. Consequence: there are no Druids anymore and nobody really knows what Druidism was - but descendants of the Druids stand equal with the Germans and Romans at the top of the heap.
The Jews chose not to compromise. There are still Jews and the traditions have held firm, but they've suffered severely for that choice - under the Romans and their successors.
It should be noted that the second Jewish revolt (Bar Kokhba revolt) was extremely serious - one Roman legion disappeared from the record entirely and thousands from Turkey and elsewhere were given Roman citizenship so they could join the legions to fight the Jews.
Today Judaism seems to have assimilated the concept of separation of church and state and things are going better. A recent survey (I'd have to dig through the pile for yesterday's LA Times to get the reference) shows that more than 80% of Americans are "antisemitism free".
If only they realized that Arabs are semites too . . . .
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Post #295,533
11/3/07 7:21:48 AM
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It's been a while since I've seen that statement.
. . since so far no halfway solid evidence of Jesus' actual physical existence has been found in modern times, nor was Origen able to find any only 200 years after the (presumed) fact, though he searched diligently. Do you have a reference? I'm curious. It is my understanding that at one point the records of Pontius Pilate's court were examined and no evidence of the judgment of Jesus was found. My understanding of Roman history is the opposite. Again, I'm curious about your references. Wade.
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Post #295,540
11/3/07 11:53:31 AM
11/3/07 12:06:13 PM
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Re: It's been a while since I've seen that statement.
My source for their being no evidence of Jesus' actual existence is at least 5 years of back issues of Biblical Archeology Review, a publication who's editors have sometimes been just a bit too anxious to find something - anything - but are so far empty handed.
As for Pontius Pilate's court records, the reference I mentionsd as "my understanding" I saw so long ago I can't remember the source or its reliability. On the other hand, here's a detailed scholarly exposition as to why no event as described in the Bible would be found in Pilate's records, examined or not. [link|http://www.scu.edu/scm/exclusives/passion-baker.cfm|Reconstructing Jesus\ufffd Death: A Historical Context].
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Post #295,542
11/3/07 12:15:57 PM
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Interesting paper. Thanks for the link.
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Post #295,604
11/4/07 8:50:59 PM
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I remember BAR.
That's a most curious source! :-)
I'll check that link. Thanks.
Wade.
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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Somebody save my life
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Please
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Post #295,616
11/4/07 11:22:08 PM
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BAR is great fun.
Almost every issue opens with an angry letter from some Christian or another canceling his/her subscription for publishing an article that presents evidence rather than doctrine or describes pagan beliefs (or contains a photo of a female excavation volunteer dressed in a straw hat, shorts and a halter top).
Academic battles among the "minimalists", "literalists" and everyone in between can rage on for months, in both the form of articles and letters, and some of them can get pretty mean spirited.
And BAR is often fiercely attacked by the hard core "politically correct" of academic archeology for publishing information on artifacts that are "without provenance", in other words not excavated by a qualified archeologist, and by the hard nosed former general who runs the Israel Antiquities establishment.
In addition there's the publisher's often frustrated hopes of finding some solid archeological evidence of the historical Jesus which adds a little extra entertainment.
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