Post #295,274
10/28/07 8:38:27 PM
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interesting alternative to cremation or burial
[link|http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23370243-details/Cremation%20to%20be%20replaced%20by%20eco-friendly%20freeze-drying%20of%20corpses/article.do?expand=true|http://www.thisislon...le.do?expand=true] The process involves dipping the body in -196C liquid nitrogen until it is brittle, and then placing it on a vibrating mat so it disintegrates into powder. thanx, bill Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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Post #295,275
10/28/07 9:11:27 PM
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I like it
I was considering cremation until I read this article.
I hope this concept proves worthy and catches on here in the states.
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,276
10/28/07 9:12:54 PM
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same here, transporting an urn home is cheaper
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Post #295,336
10/29/07 9:02:36 PM
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But, how many pounds of remains?
It might take a couple people to carry unless water is removed.
Alex
Nobody has a more sacred obligation to obey the law than those who make the law. -- Sophocles (496? - 406 BCE)
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Post #295,337
10/29/07 9:11:33 PM
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Freeze DRIED
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Post #295,338
10/29/07 9:13:18 PM
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OK!
Alex
Nobody has a more sacred obligation to obey the law than those who make the law. -- Sophocles (496? - 406 BCE)
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Post #295,342
10/29/07 9:49:51 PM
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No water left...turned to powder.
The freeze-drying process removes all water. Similar to the arid landscape in the Antarctic.
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,349
10/30/07 7:07:58 AM
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"Instant Grandpa-sludge, Just Add Water!" ?
I don't get it -- how long does it take until we have the first case where Little Billy mistook Gramps for Ovomaltine and inadvertently gobbles half of him up? (Or, knowing what a little rascal he can be, feeds him to Little Sis as a prank?)
I didn't see anything about mandatory spreading on fields as fertiliser, but that would seem to be the only sensible use for it... Oh, hey, now I see one thing: the first really big scandal won't be "Little Billy" above, but somebody raising their pigs and chickens on the output of the nearby Freezatorium, because that's cheaper than regular animal feed.
Yum, yum.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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Post #295,353
10/30/07 7:22:15 AM
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Sentient LRPD replies:" Time for a tasty, tangy treat!"
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,357
10/30/07 7:30:07 AM
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keep it in an urn in a family mausoleum
[link|http://www.fortresspersonal.com/|http://www.fortresspersonal.com/] fit about 50 urns in here, then recycle the oldest ones on the rosebushes out front.
thanx,
bill
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Post #295,359
10/30/07 7:32:09 AM
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Damn!
and those mausoleums make a great fallout/tornado shelter too :-)
Smile,
Amy
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Post #296,368
11/23/07 3:33:06 PM
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Soylent green is...
jb4
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Post #296,373
11/23/07 4:51:26 PM
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So is Jamba Juice :0)
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,364
10/30/07 8:01:35 AM
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Some parts of it sound bogus to me More details are needed.
The process involves dipping the body in -196C liquid nitrogen until it is brittle, and then placing it on a vibrating mat so it disintegrates into powder.
Remains
A magnetic field then removes metal objects like fillings and artificial limbs from the remains. 1) Putting something in liquid nitrogen (LN2) freezes it quickly. It doesn't necessarily dry it. ([link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeze_drying|Freeze drying] is done using a vacuum chamber.) Either they break the body up while it's still frozen, or they spend the time and money to dry the body once it's frozen. I can't imagine that it's a quick process to dry a large body. Also, handling 100-200 pounds of body at liquid nitrogen temperature isn't trivial. If they freeze a body in liquid nitrogen then pull it out to do the shaking, then it will immediately begin developing frost and condensation from water in the air. Grandma will soon be encased in ice. If the vibrations succeed in breaking her up, the remains would soon be a messy collection of body stuff, ice, and water. This implies that the process would have to be done in a vacuum chamber to keep moist air out. 2) Most of the metals used in bodies (mercury amalgam, gold, titanium, stainless steel, etc.) aren't magnetic. I don't see how "a magnetic field removes metals" in the process. I assume they'll actually use a strainer to remove foreign materials. I really don't see how this is especially environmentally benign. It takes electricity to make LN2 (though the process must be pretty cheap and efficient because LN2 is ~ a dollar a gallon in industrial quantities), and it takes refrigerated tanker trucks to deliver it (it's usually cheaper to get deliveries than to make it on site). There are environmental costs for this process, too, but the on-site costs (LN2 storage, vacuum chamber, handling equipment for frozen bodies, etc.) are probably going to be a bigger issue. I'm sure electric crematoria can be constructed (to try a body without burning it) if emissions from burning are an issue. So, color me skeptical. The [link|http://www.promessafoundation.org/index.php|Promessa Foundation] has a little more info, but doesn't talk about the process in detail. It apparently hasn't actually been used on a body yet. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #295,371
10/30/07 8:38:13 AM
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maybe microwaving gran would be more efficient
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Post #295,373
10/30/07 9:03:55 AM
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Problems there too.
Fillings, artificial joints containing metal, pins and plates, and all those convenient forms of alloplasty would have to be removed before processing the body. Might be difficult and expensive.
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Post #295,407
10/30/07 6:23:18 PM
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Re: magnetic field removing metal.
While you are right about a static magnetic field, a rapidly changing magnetic field simply requires the metal to be a good conductor. A rapidly changing magnetic field will cause an [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current|eddy current] in the metal pieces. They can then be isolated in what are called [link|http://www.cogelme.com/eng/e-eddy-current-separators.htm|eddy current separators]
Alex
Nobody has a more sacred obligation to obey the law than those who make the law. -- Sophocles (496? - 406 BCE)
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Post #295,411
10/30/07 7:21:56 PM
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Neat! Thanks.
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