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New [raises hand]
Yep. Some choice quotes (from memory):

Re: The "most profitable" bit:
"A single factory [where they make Lincoln and Ford versions of the same UAV] is the single most profitable factory in the world, and is more profitable than all but a couple of dozen entire corporations."

Re: Schleping their children around in these deathtraps (from a mom with toddler in arms):
"Cars are built to be safe, so I know whichever one [UAV] I buy is going to be safe."

Re: Are they actually "safe":
"The Ford Explorer is 18 times more likely to cause a fatality of occupants in the other vehicle in a collision than a typical car."

Re: Why didn't Ford follow the recommendation of their engineers to widen the track of the first Explorer by two inches:
"Ford was in a fight against the Chevy Blazer at the time, and no one wanted to be the one to tell the Ford chairman and CEO that we would have to delay 18 months."

You're right about understating the culpability of the manufacturers. Their own engineers told them the vehicles were unstable and they made them anyway. The NHTSA staffers told the administrators about it, and were told to "modify" their reports to "reflect the position of the agency."

For all the attention that the Explorer/Firestone rollover story got, those deaths represented 1/40th of the total rollover deaths of SUVs. No, that's not a typo: 1/40th. ~300 out of ~12,000.
We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html|Thomas Friedman]
New Thanks, Drew
I took some notes too.. but I thought - if nobody here even thought it was worth looking at Frontline - WTF should I bother to recap?

And you have grokked perhaps the most insidious aspect of the entire UAV hysteria, perfectly IMhO:
Re: Are they actually "safe":
"The Ford Explorer is 18 times more likely to cause a fatality of occupants in the other vehicle in a collision than a typical car."
Yes.. the start of the Arms Race - get biiger armaments against the Other Road enenmy. Lust after a HumVee, later with gun port. ---> no end to that mindset, in sight.

How aptly they described the lobbying; showed that smarmy flak, Jerry Curry (sp?) who launched the Bigger is Better counter to the Bryan Bill.. which would have restored a semblance of sanity re both fuel efficiency and overall safety = also for the NON-UAV drivers.

{sigh} The implications are staggering. It's like leaving the reactor-safety design for a fleet of passenger ships to: Dan Quayle and Ballmer.

Enough defunding and ennui next - and PBS shall disappear (Frontline and Nova with it) and we shall have 100% Corporate Infotainment 24/7. (Except for small subscription organs one might ferret out, send for).

I believe we are actually in danger of that occurring, such is the disconnect between the daily mind-numbing ad-barrage and: actual human conversation and exposition. Are we that near to surrendering to the Suited manipulators, entirely? No proof possible.. but the daily rhetoric causes me to 'feel' that we just might give up on er 'The Open Society'; it's too much trouble to look beyond the daily Disneyland BS - for too many folk, apparently.



Ashton
glad I saw this.
depressed at what I saw.
     Addicts support terrorism. - (Silverlock) - (36)
         let me put my strontium90 generator - (boxley) - (35)
             So it's a non issue with you? - (Silverlock) - (1)
                 Between the Oil companies and the ecowhiners were screwed - (boxley)
             Hey Box; thought you were too smart - (Ashton) - (32)
                 Everyone whines about energy and we already have the - (boxley) - (30)
                     I'm asking for a special favor - (Silverlock) - (28)
                         The Air Farce uses these generators in Alaska - (boxley) - (27)
                             I think there'e more to it.. - (Ashton) - (26)
                                 scaling up would present problems but no one looks!! - (boxley) - (25)
                                     As I think Rick M. pointed out a while back - - (Ashton) - (24)
                                         Speaking of UAVs, er SUVs... - (a6l6e6x) - (21)
                                             There's always a counterpoint - (wharris2)
                                             Thanks for general reminder - had it marked. - (Ashton) - (19)
                                                 You're mixing up the Expedition with the Excursion again. :) -NT - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                                     OK Make it the &%#@* Lincoln Navigator: ONE of them weighs - (Ashton) - (9)
                                                         Nope. Navigator = Expedition. GVW <> Curb Weight. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                             Yeah we did.. and ONE of those Does Weigh 7300# - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                                 No need. I remember some mechanics. :-) - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                     Agreement. - (Ashton)
                                                         ya wanna stop soccer moms from driving them? - (boxley) - (4)
                                                             I just hate them - (wharris2) - (3)
                                                                 use the florida method of backing up blind - (boxley)
                                                                 Great timing - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                     A photo of that view - ALONE - (Ashton)
                                                 So... NOBODY here: watched "Rollover" last night on PBS? - (Ashton) - (7)
                                                     [raises hand] - (drewk) - (1)
                                                         Thanks, Drew - (Ashton)
                                                     >RAISE HAND< Having mentioned it, I watched it as well. - (a6l6e6x)
                                                     why do you blame the makers for stupidity of the drivers? - (boxley) - (3)
                                                         So you'd let M$ off the hook too? -NT - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                             If the government mandated they make Windoze, yes - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                 Wagons are coming back - (drewk)
                                         Nit on the pope thing - (mhuber) - (1)
                                             Oops - right; Cardinal then? - (Ashton)
                     RTGs aren't a cure-all. - (Another Scott)
                 "Expedition buying Patriots" - THAT IS CLASSIC!!! -NT - (mmoffitt)

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