Post #293,615
9/25/07 11:33:59 PM
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Most death sentences in the US are for murder, etc.
Federal death sentences are very rare. There have only been [link|http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:tHZ4pUDeERMJ:www.bop.gov/about/history/execchart.jsp+federal+executions&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=1|37 Federal Executions] since 1927.
The sales job for the death penalty as a deterrent often points to the Bible (in covert ways if necessary), and the protection of innocents. Those who advocate it often are distrustful of the federal government, believe it or not.
Murder is quite often a crime of passion. Someone gets angry and does something in the spur of the moment. In that moment, they're only thinking about their anger. They're not thinking about 10 minutes in the future or next week. They're certainly not thinking about a death penalty versus life in prison or whatever. In that respect, there is no deterrent. For premeditated murder, there is probably only limited deterrent effect as the murderer is most likely concentrating on not getting caught. IOW, more and better investigators is probably a better deterrent than the needle.
Justice White discussed the obvious limitations in deterrence when punishments are rarely applied in his [link|http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0408_0238_ZC3.html|concurring opinion in Furman v. Georgia] (which outlawed the death penalty in the US (for a time)).
I'm ambivalent about the death penalty myself. I think a strong case can be made that civilized societies have many good reasons to give it up. But I could be persuaded that in some cases (e.g. [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot|Pol Pot], [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin|Stalin], and those responsible for the [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide|Rwandan Genocide]), the ultimate punishment may appropriate. How to apply it fairly, if it is applied, is the issue.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #293,635
9/26/07 8:19:06 AM
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Killing is wrong. So let's kill those who kill.
Hmm, may be a slight disconnect there.
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Post #293,644
9/26/07 10:20:15 AM
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murder is wrong so lets kill those who murder
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Post #293,645
9/26/07 11:03:01 AM
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State sanctioned killing is still killing.
If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for all.
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Post #293,647
9/26/07 11:26:44 AM
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Appoint murderers to kill the murderers?
"Forgive them Lord. They know not what they do."
Smile, Amy
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Post #293,650
9/26/07 11:49:52 AM
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homicide is identical to manslaughter? /me dont think so
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Post #293,653
9/26/07 12:04:19 PM
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Huh?
How does that relate at all to what I said?
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Post #293,654
9/26/07 12:09:33 PM
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you claim murder and killing is the same
from that supposition you must think homicide and manslaughter is the same, which is why I posted that I dont think so. thanx, bill
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Post #293,656
9/26/07 12:23:27 PM
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Where did I claim that?
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Post #293,659
9/26/07 12:29:45 PM
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in answer to 293644
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Post #293,636
9/26/07 8:31:59 AM
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I know what you mean about the ambivalence
Part of the problem with the criminal justice system is that it doesn't do much to rehabilitate criminals. Even if such a system did exist, there would still be those who are beyond rehabilitation (child molesters and serial rapists come to mind). Sometimes I feel that people like that are better off dead. (God forgive me.)
What made capital punishment a deterrent in the first place was the swiftness with which it was carried out, and the public spectacle. Besides, if one is going to commit a heinous act, it is irrational - nothing is going to be a deterrent anyway.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Smile, Amy
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