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New There are two arguments here.
The first is how does the US currently compare to how it used to be, and the second is how it compares to other regimes?

The second is perhaps easier to answer. And you don't have to look at Iran: try Burma, or Zimbabwe. Government control over what they approve and disapprove of is considerably greater in those countries than in the US. But the comparison works both ways. The current protests in Burma are because they can see how much comparitively better a society like the US is over their own. If the current Burmese government wants to quell such protests, as they have in the past, they would use far more force against citizens far more afraid of them than in the US. If, has been alleged, Bush et al want a state like that, there is obviously something holding them back from Just Doing It! :-O

The first one becomes a lesson history. Has the US ever been a place where capital punishment was an effective deterrent? I'd say yes, because capital punishment has been around a long long time. The society that founded the US would have believed in that deterrent effect.

Wade.


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New See #293615. :-)
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=293615|#293615].

The Supreme Court opinion in Furman v. Georgia addresses some of those issues. I think we have the death penalty because we (always?) had the death penalty - it was part of the American fabric like having firearms [link|http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=199|from the beginning].

Cheers,
Scott.
     Ahmadinejad speaks at Columbia - (andread) - (22)
         Nah, I'm fairly sure they've reached the theoretical maximum - (CRConrad) - (21)
             Guess I Should Have Said 'Deterrent Effect' -NT - (andread) - (20)
                 The deterrant effect is questionable. - (static) - (19)
                     Not yet. - (Silverlock) - (7)
                         While I know - (bepatient) - (6)
                             Invalid comparison, perhaps? - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                 I was going to say - (imqwerky) - (1)
                                     Friday Night's Fun Night! -NT - (bepatient)
                                 From that perspective, yes it is - (bepatient)
                                 There are two arguments here. - (static) - (1)
                                     See #293615. :-) - (Another Scott)
                     Most death sentences in the US are for murder, etc. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                         Killing is wrong. So let's kill those who kill. - (Silverlock) - (8)
                             murder is wrong so lets kill those who murder -NT - (boxley) - (7)
                                 State sanctioned killing is still killing. - (Silverlock) - (6)
                                     Appoint murderers to kill the murderers? - (imqwerky)
                                     homicide is identical to manslaughter? /me dont think so -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                         Huh? - (Silverlock) - (3)
                                             you claim murder and killing is the same - (boxley) - (2)
                                                 Where did I claim that? -NT - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                                     in answer to 293644 -NT - (boxley)
                         I know what you mean about the ambivalence - (imqwerky)

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