Post #29,191
2/21/02 10:03:34 AM
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Why do only murder of Blacks by Whites get media attention?
[link|http://www.frontpagemag.com/columnists/perazzo/2002/jp02-20-02.htm|murder is already a hate crime] thanx, bill
"I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
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Post #29,207
2/21/02 10:47:24 AM
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Because whites are self centered and lazy in this
country and won't go to whatever means are necessary to get their point across. Jewish people have been very successful in keeping the Holocaust message and anti-semiticism in the public conscience. Blacks have been too. This nation is over 50% "white" by the latest census, you tell me "why" there is no outrage.
An acquaintance of mine in Cincinnati (white) was killed in a run down area of downtown Cincinnati. He was a local musician and the city is in the process of "rehabilitating" that area. It got some local media airplay, but not the kind you would expect. They put on apologist after apologist who were saying that if this "youths" had midnight basketball or some other happy horseshit, they wouldn't be out robbing and killing people... Yep... You got it, it was turned around. White people SHOULD KNOW BETTER than to be in that part of town at that time of night.
IMHO, it is because until someone in our family becomes the front page, white Americans view the "news" as entertainment. That's how important issues such as the plight of inner cities, the homeless, murders, rapes, etc... get meshed in with the sitcoms, soaps, and scores. The news is fiction, isn't it? I mean, in my suburban neighborhood, my biggest concern is getting rid of the damned moles...
Perhaps it is a coping mechanism developed alongside the Antelope in the Svelte... The herd is grazing peacefully when one happens to get a little too close to the water. Bam, the lion nails him. The rest of the herd don't scatter, they know the lion is already full... In their little antelope minds, they are probably saying, "that stupid antelope, he was so greedy... going for that extra grass... He deserved it." "Maybe if he had watched his diet a little better he would have been able to run away" :-)
Just a few thoughts,
Screamer
"I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around, pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday..."
P. Townshend
"Nietzsche has an S in it" Celina Jones
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Post #29,213
2/21/02 11:06:07 AM
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It's hard to be outraged over something
if we don't even know about.
Darrell Spice, Jr.
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Post #29,218
2/21/02 11:38:11 AM
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record (cd?)
It's kind of hard to blame the media when they are, in theory (and usually in practice), giving us what we want... based on extensive marketing research used to generate marketing revenues by filling commercial air time... So, I conclude, that "we, the frigging people, are the problem".
Having had a bit more time to cogitate on this, in the area I currently live (roughly the greater Chicago area), there is a murder about every night or so. Murders don't get front page very often either - since it is typically blacks killed by other blacks. This is born out by all major crime statistics for the last 20 or so years - that blacks predominately kill other blacks. Jees, talk about not newsworthy, a black kills a black. Who cares? So what else is new?
I do. I want to know why. What was in that kids mind when he pulled the trigger. How did he get to the point where he could kill someone? Where were his parents? Where were his teachers? Where were his friends? Not just for some voyeuristic thrill either, I want to know how we can make these kids, our fellow Americans, stop killing.
I know that Boxley wants to make the point that all murder is a "hate crime" (right?), and I'm just jumping the gun a bit. We, the black and white American PEOPLE, need to be outraged at MURDER, regardless of who is killing who. That is why the whole happy horseshit "Hate Crime Legislation" was such a joke. What murder is not a "hate crime"? Are our courts now psychic?
Just a few thoughts,
Screamer
"I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around, pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday..."
P. Townshend
"Nietzsche has an S in it" Celina Jones
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Post #29,224
2/21/02 11:45:35 AM
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Because there isn't a white equivalent...
...for Jesse or Al. There isn't someone making a living off of getting facetime in the media about >outrage< like this occurring.
Pulitzers are not won by reporting the injustices against white folks in the deep south.
Make Rodney King white. Think it would've been the same case? I sincerely doubt it.
Here's the controversial point for the day. White Americans for the most part have accepted equality and see more harm than good coming from making huge deals of "hate crimes".
The >self-appointed< black leadership (because they by no means have full support) of Jesse, Al, Louis et al survive on keeping the divide present...and indeed profit from keeping the racial divide as wide as possible.
The Democratic Party has used this type of positioning to keep the strongholds on the urban centers. Essentially profiting from keeping the racial divide as an issue.
The controversial question then becomes...are the problems facing black and other minorities of today actually problems stemming from their race or are these problems stemming from the fact that a majority of them are located in decaying urban centers? Or maybe a little of both?
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Post #29,299
2/21/02 6:24:10 PM
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Who you callin' lazy?
I'm pigmentally challenged, and I'm out there doing my best to get my point across. Sometimes I even rhyme.
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Post #29,225
2/21/02 11:54:19 AM
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I love our lax journalistic standards...
Wanna hear "rest of the story?" At this point, officers in Sabine County had been lead to Tillery's body by a newspaper carrier but did not have any leads in the case. The first crack in the case came when Jasper Police Officer Tracy Lawhon connected the statements of the delirious woman in the Jasper Memorial Hospital with earlier reports that a man had apparently been run over near Pineland.
Since the three suspects are black and the victim was white, it was first rumored that the incident could possibly be the result of a hate crime but officials from the FBI and others later said that they felt the incident resulted from a fight over money and possibly drugs.
Officers believe the act occurred after Tillery had traveled from his home in the Beachwood subdivision just east of Pineland to the 1000 block of South Bowie Street in Jasper to purchase crack cocaine and then talked little and others into carrying him home.
[link|http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Z2jJbURGsSAC:www.kjas.com/index.shtml+Tillery+murder+Jasper+Radio&hl=en| source ] choose your victims of hate crimes carefully.
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Post #29,232
2/21/02 12:08:52 PM
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your link is broke
so I will get this from your story, blacks kill white in the same manner as the whites who killed the black but because of drugs it is OK. thanx, bill
"I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
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Post #29,236
2/21/02 12:19:07 PM
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damn...it works for me...
but it may not work for others. (Sigh) so I will get this from your story, blacks kill white in the same manner as the whites who killed the black but because of drugs it is OK.
Hardly. But I do see a difference between someone who kills someone for money (for drugs) and someone who kills for pleasure. I believe that the hate crime rules were enacted to attempt to punish (harsher) those who kill for pleasure. Perhaps you don't see a difference.
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Post #29,240
2/21/02 12:26:17 PM
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No difference
The guy who kills for money is just as dangerous to society as person who kills for fun. thanx, bill
"I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
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Post #29,248
2/21/02 12:51:23 PM
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Wrong.
But I do see a difference between someone who kills someone for money (for drugs) and someone who kills for pleasure. I believe that the hate crime rules were enacted to attempt to punish (harsher) those who kill for pleasure. Nope. Hate crime laws were passed to punish whites for killing blacks more harshly than blacks killing whites. Some of that may have been influenced by the (perhaps perceived) inequality of white vs. black sentencing, but whatever else may have prompted it, punishing whites harder is the reason for it. I have yet to hear of one black-on-white hate crime being prosecuted. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Where each demon is slain, more hate is raised, yet hate unchecked also multiplies. - L. E. Modesitt, from his Recluse series
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Post #29,269
2/21/02 2:14:25 PM
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Interesting...
Nope. Hate crime laws were passed to punish whites for killing blacks more harshly than blacks killing whites. Some of that may have been influenced by the (perhaps perceived) inequality of white vs. black sentencing, but whatever else may have prompted it, punishing whites harder is the reason for it.
I believe that was the most common argument for it, but hate crimes encompass a far greater range than simple white vs. black. (Hate crimes have been used to prosecute people who attack Native Americans, gays, etc.) I have yet to hear of one black-on-white hate crime being prosecuted.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
In the year 2000, (according to the FBI) there were a total of 10 Murder and nonnegligent manslaughters that were classified as hate crimes (Hispanic/Other had another 6). There were 5 attributed to anti-white and 3 attributed to anti-black. However, the report does not show the race of those whom committed the anti-white murders/manslaughters. [link|http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_00/hate00.pdf| source ]
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Post #29,227
2/21/02 11:57:58 AM
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Paragraph count.
8 paragraphs re-telling Byrd's murder (dragged behind a pickup) and events. 3 paragraphs about Tillery's murder (without the detail dedicated to Byrd's paragraphs). And nothing that I can see about whether Tillery's murderers were convicted and sentenced or what. Thus his death had no political currency for those whose reputations depend upon their ability to portray themselves as crusaders for justice, ever guarding against white racism. Hmmmm, in my experience, the people screaming about white racism (and whites killing blacks) do so because, so often, such crimes go unpunished. Equality will happen when the punishment is not dependant upon anyone's skin colour. Life in prison for Darrell Gilbert, Blake Little, and Anthony Holmes. Or has that already happened?
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Post #29,234
2/21/02 12:13:11 PM
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maybe the charges should reflect society
Instead of homicide we should have blackicide black on black killing or blacks killing a white in a black area sentence 10-15 whiticide white on white killing in a white neighborhood sentence 10-15 colorside people killing others of a different race 20 to life that seems to be what happens in real life, why not codify it. thanx, bill
"I'm selling a hammer," he says. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." Richard Eaton spy software innovator
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Post #30,274
3/1/02 1:16:23 AM
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Is this based on yr "most cops are bigots by training" thry?
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