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New All I wanted was a little respect
from my former employer. When I was sick and in the hospital, the least they could have done was send a card or something. Not even one phone call asking me if I was alright. I was out sick for three months, and when I called in, instead of them asking if I was feeling better, I get asked "So when are you coming back to work?" When I had my wisdom teeth taken out of my left side, and the operation took over an hour, and I had the left side of my face bruised and puffed up like Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor" and the doctor told me to take at least three days off, my boss told me to come in because his wisdom teeth removal wasn't that bad and he was back to work the next day. I came in, was barely able to talk, went off the painkillers so I could drive my car, and worked with a lot of pain. The VP of IS came up to me that day I came back, and asked me about a program I was working on and when it could be done. The doctor said that he saw gunshot wounds that weren't as bad as my tooth extraction. They had to take out a molar as well as the two wisdom teeth.

But let me tell you, if a company gave me the respect I should get, and they treat me right and don't break promises with me, and pay a decent wage, I will stick with them forever. If not, I may just be looking for another job.

What they can expect from me is quality work, good documentation, a good work ethic, and new ideas that I can come up with for suggestions to improve things.

Yes I have some medical issues, but I am doing what I can to try to get them under control. My previous employer was not willing to work with those issues, and expected me to work the same even if I was deathly ill or in great pain or very very sick, etc.

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New You have to command it
IOW, you need to set your own boundaries.

Response to boss - "I'm not you - you're not me - I'm not coming in until I'm better".
The average hunter gatherer works 20 hours a week.
The average farmer works 40 hours a week.
The average programmer works 60 hours a week.
What the hell are we thinking?
New Why didn't they love me?
I tried that, but it was answered with a "come back, or don't come back at all" message that if I didn't come back I would get terminated. Next to these managers I had, Vince McMahon of the WWF is a saint.

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New They have to respect you before they can love you.
And they have to fear you before they can respect you.

A lot of people are like this, and this is the only way that works with them. Maybe this why the Old Testament God seems so heavyhanded sometimes.

If you've got an employer like that, always get things in writing. Like doctor's orders. Get it in writing, and signed. CYA, and be ready to fight in court. Let them know you're ready to fight in court. And if they call your bluff, well, don't have been bluffing. Get in touch with all the advocacy groups you can, and see if any will help foot the bill. Not all bleeding hearts are useless, just most of the noisier ones.
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Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes.
New Then they shall fear me!
What advocacy groups are there and how do I get in contact with them? I am not sure where to look. What kind are there? Any for computer workers, like Computer Geeks Anonymous who are abused by their employers?

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New Re: Then they shall fear me!
Not exactly what you want, but one place to start:

[link|http://www.programmersguild.org/american.htm|Programmer's Guild.]

Note the [link|http://www.programmersguild.org/Guild/howto.htm|"How to tell bad company"] link.
Alex

"Of course, you realize this means war." -B. Bunny
New Have to know where to look
For example, my life has improved dramaticaly since I realized my Dad will never respect me no matter what. And so has my relationship with him.

You won't typicaly get respect from an employer. You get money from an employer. Expecting respect from an employer makes about as much sense as expecting love from a whore. If you get it, well, that's great.

Now, as to the medical leave, I trust that if you run into that again you will point out that your health has priority over their convenience, particularly since your lack of health will be inconvenient for them. Try to accomodate them, try to schedule politely, but hold the line. You may get fired. And you may have a case against them (don't work for lawyers or gangsters - it's too hard to call a lawyer on either) and maybe you won't. But if you sacrifice your health for their convenience, that at best convinces them you were attempting goldbricking. They sure as hell aren't going to respect you for it.

If they value your skills, they will bend in reasonable ways. If they don't, yer toast anyway.

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"You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
New They didn't bend, they didn't care
when I was sick and in the hospital, they didn't call, they didn't even send me a "get well" card. When I was told to call in to check on something at work, I was never asked "How are you feeling? Are you doing better?" but more of a "When are you returning to work?" question. It seems that they did not care one bit about my health situation and only seemed to care about my ability to get more work done. Careless, souless, b*tches and b*stards who already sold their soul to get their current levels of management and status positions and extra salaries. That is my honest opinion about them.

If they call me back and beg me to come back to work for them, I will ask for "One million dollars a year in salary" and put my pinky finger up to my bottom lip. :)

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New It ain't about caring, it's about money
If you were talking about your wife, I'd sympathise.

As it happens, my co-workers here seem to care about me and my family. That's very nice, I appreciate it, and I reciprocate. But that's not what it's about. It is a factor in the decision to work here, but not key.

It's very, very simple: you have a package to offer, they have a package to offer. If the deal is beneficial to both sides, it's a deal. If it isn't, it isn't.

The closest to respect that you can expect from an employer is the recognition that you bring services worth more than what you chargve for them. If you have that, you can negotiate. If you don't, you are a parasite.

Get past that last job. Don't give them as a reference. Don't complain about them. The answer you give when asked why you won't give them as references is "there were personality issues on both sides. (And don't elaborate - if they push it, your answers are as short as possible - "yes" "no" - or dull un-memorable SHORT passive-voice "differences of perspective occured" BS. Get off the topic as fast as possible.) My previous employer X can probably give you a more accurate picture."

Here's to spin honestly: you want the interviewer to remember the positive and forget the negative. When you paint a picture with words, when you tell a story, you plant memories. When you give dry facts without emotion and no more detail than the interviewer demands, you don't.

After the interview, there will probably be a meeting where the interviewer talks about you. In these meetings, it is good form for the interviewer to say some positive and some negative things. You want the interviewer to say "Well, I liked X, Y, Z about Norm. His last job didn't work out (unspoken: for reasons that made sense a minute ago but I don't exactly recall now)." So make X, Y, and Z memorable. Figure out what X, Y, and Z are, and remember a story from your life (don't make them up, do write them out) that illustrates each. Rehearse each story, with enough detail (Sensory, not technical. And the details don't all have to be particularly relevant.) to draw a picture, with lots of verbs. Make each story about a minute long. During the interview, watch for questions that are good excuses for your stories, and jump right in.

The economy is picking up. Some company out there needs VB code. When you find them, you won't need their respect, just their professionalism in exchange for yours. They won't mistreat you because they will fear losing your services. See to it you don't mistreat yourself on their behalf. Tell them what you need in order to provide the kind of service they need - and that includes service and maintainance on the ol' brain support unit.

Your last employer was able to maltreat you because they knew they had you for as long as they wanted, on any terms they felt like.
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"You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
     All I wanted was a little respect - (nking) - (8)
         You have to command it - (tuberculosis) - (4)
             Why didn't they love me? - (nking) - (3)
                 They have to respect you before they can love you. - (marlowe) - (2)
                     Then they shall fear me! - (nking) - (1)
                         Re: Then they shall fear me! - (a6l6e6x)
         Have to know where to look - (mhuber) - (2)
             They didn't bend, they didn't care - (nking) - (1)
                 It ain't about caring, it's about money - (mhuber)

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