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Post #29,000 by a6l6e6x 2/19/02 8:57:51 PM Reply	The officers of Enron thank you for your support! Enron, the company, never gave any politician any money. Civic-minded officers and PACs did that. Alex "Of course, you realize this means war." -B. Bunny
Post #29,055 by Brandioch 2/20/02 11:28:56 AM Reply	Why oh why oh why. You'd be correct. >IF< none of the money was from Enron's budgets. Only from the paychecks of the individuals involved. Now, a trivia question. What other systems/agencies utilize a system similar to this?
Post #29,152 by a6l6e6x 2/21/02 12:17:14 AM Reply	Re: Why oh why oh why. Companies expect their upper management to be "civic-minded" and use some of their wealth in "positive" ways. That's one reason they are paid so well. The pay comes with "responsibilities". To some degree it happens to all employees. Ever see the gentle coercion in a United Way campaign at a large firm? I can imagine what goes on in corporate management meetings. On the trivia question: State employees, for one, are often "encouraged" to support the re-election of their agency head or else the person who appointed him/her. Alex "Of course, you realize this means war." -B. Bunny

Corporations and evil - (JayMehaffey) - (99) - Feb. 15, 2002, 04:34:56 PM EST

Thanks for cutting through the bull. -NT - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2002, 04:36:28 PM EST

Figures you'd say that. -NT - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:22:19 PM EST

Nickel. -NT - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:45:45 AM EST

Bull? BULL???? My posts were NOT BULL!!! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:58:57 PM EST

But does it have to be that way? - (Brandioch) - (37) - Feb. 15, 2002, 05:12:33 PM EST

I love those ethics. - (bepatient) - (34) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:13:44 PM EST

Jawohl! - (Brandioch) - (33) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:30:20 PM EST

You obviously know zero about this case..(added link) - (bepatient) - (32) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:36:18 PM EST

Hmmmmm, maybe you're right. - (Brandioch) - (31) - Feb. 15, 2002, 08:18:43 PM EST

A jury did settle it. - (bepatient) - (30) - Feb. 17, 2002, 08:23:52 PM EST

I've read the case. - (Brandioch) - (29) - Feb. 18, 2002, 01:52:33 PM EST

So... - (bepatient) - (28) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:52:36 PM EST

Just giving you enough rope. - (Brandioch) - (27) - Feb. 18, 2002, 07:52:52 PM EST

Answer the question. - (bepatient) - (26) - Feb. 18, 2002, 09:21:14 PM EST

You're just hanging yourself higher. - (Brandioch) - (25) - Feb. 18, 2002, 11:27:39 PM EST

Childish little prick - (drewk) - (8) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:39:57 AM EST

how do you know he's little ? ]:-> -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:41:45 AM EST

You can quote, but you lack understanding. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:16:09 PM EST

You don't need to be manipulated - (drewk) - (5) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:35:34 PM EST

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:00:23 PM EST

Oh, no wonder you're so upset - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:32:38 PM EST

Let's go over that again. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:56:20 PM EST

Don't bother DK... - (bepatient) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:19:37 PM EST

Don't bother DK... - (bepatient) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:20:01 PM EST

Yeah...sure... - (bepatient) - (15) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:59:23 AM EST

*SCORE* - (Brandioch) - (14) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:29:06 PM EST

Somebody needs to lighten up and get laid. - (Silverlock) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:59:52 PM EST

Whatever. - (bepatient) - (12) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:59:06 PM EST

Weasel weasel weasel.... - (Brandioch) - (11) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:24:09 PM EST

The officers of Enron thank you for your support! - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - Feb. 19, 2002, 08:57:51 PM EST

Why oh why oh why. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:28:56 AM EST

Re: Why oh why oh why. - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:17:14 AM EST

I'm so happy for you. - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:45:22 PM EST

Hey, I'm not the one with the problem. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:18:45 AM EST

say what? - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:29:22 AM EST

Um, okay. "What". - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:51:11 AM EST

thats fine -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:53:33 AM EST

Are you even trying anymore? - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:47:52 AM EST

Clarification. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 20, 2002, 12:12:50 PM EST

Sure... - (bepatient) - Feb. 21, 2002, 08:21:58 AM EST

B & J are eeeeevil! - (rsf) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:31:04 PM EST

Ben and Jerry's is GONE. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:51:47 PM EST

Mom & Pop shops too? - (rsf) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:24:06 PM EST

Thank you for that. One point down. -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:12:53 PM EST

That depends - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:49:09 PM EST

So... - (bepatient) - (13) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:15:52 PM EST

Just more sympathetic magic - (Ric Locke) - (11) - Feb. 15, 2002, 08:39:09 PM EST

Your making my point for me - (JayMehaffey) - (10) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:22:20 PM EST

Evil is as evil does - (nking) - (7) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:58:54 PM EST

I wouldn't have said it quite that way - (wharris2) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:11:46 AM EST

Re: Evil is as evil does - (Ric Locke) - (5) - Feb. 16, 2002, 06:52:29 PM EST

Then it is the evil managers - (nking) - Feb. 16, 2002, 08:42:53 PM EST

Trying to set some basis - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:05:26 AM EST

Relativism - (Ric Locke) - (2) - Feb. 17, 2002, 09:17:31 PM EST

Re: Relativism - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 18, 2002, 01:23:24 AM EST

Interesting. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:05:31 PM EST

Evil is as evil does - (nking) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:06:33 AM EST

What acts in an evil manner? - (marlowe) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:20:04 PM EST

Re: So... - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:22:26 PM EST

Another "by that logic" - (wharris2) - (28) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:48:33 PM EST

How many times must I hammer this - (JayMehaffey) - (27) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:16:14 AM EST

I must have overlooked it - (wharris2) - (24) - Feb. 16, 2002, 02:12:21 AM EST

If you get scared you must overlook it, besides you knew - (nking) - (23) - Feb. 16, 2002, 11:53:04 AM EST

Norm, you gotta get over this... - (hnick) - (22) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:40:08 PM EST

Did you even bother to read my posts - (nking) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2002, 05:11:27 PM EST

Re: Did you even bother to read my posts - (hnick) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 08:13:15 AM EST

Reform! - (nking) - Feb. 17, 2002, 03:12:48 PM EST

Interesting phrasing there. - (Brandioch) - (5) - Feb. 16, 2002, 09:19:15 PM EST

Hmmmm interesting! - (nking) - Feb. 16, 2002, 10:40:49 PM EST

Hmmm - (rsf) - (3) - Feb. 19, 2002, 12:17:46 AM EST

We seem to have come full circle - back to the daleross(?) - (Ashton) - (2) - Feb. 19, 2002, 12:47:53 AM EST

Not as stoichastic as you suggest... - (hnick) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:57:58 AM EST

Allow me to clarify. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 19, 2002, 05:42:58 PM EST

I think you've hit on the REAL problem... - (jb4) - (12) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:27:32 PM EST

Once that may have been true - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:35:50 PM EST

Sadly, I believe you are correct. - (hnick) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2002, 06:14:49 PM EST

Putting the cart before the horse - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:48:38 AM EST

Ok, you have a point - (hnick) - Feb. 20, 2002, 07:07:44 AM EST

Now this may sound silly - (nking) - (7) - Feb. 18, 2002, 09:28:36 PM EST

And your point is...? - (jb4) - (5) - Feb. 20, 2002, 09:27:45 AM EST

My point, dear JB, - (nking) - (4) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:50:13 PM EST

Not necessarily true - (rsf) - (3) - Feb. 21, 2002, 02:05:38 AM EST

What you fail to mention... - (jb4) - (2) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:39:23 AM EST

I know, I know... - (rsf) - (1) - Feb. 22, 2002, 01:38:29 PM EST

At the very least - (nking) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:23:37 PM EST

And your point is...? - (jb4) - Feb. 20, 2002, 09:28:37 AM EST

Must you hammer this??? - (folkert) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 04:38:03 PM EST

The part I was hammering - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:24:40 AM EST

Setting aside their personal morality for the company? - (marlowe) - (6) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:14:12 PM EST

been there done that - (boxley) - (5) - Feb. 16, 2002, 07:18:25 PM EST

'Evil' Corporations..? - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 16, 2002, 10:21:42 PM EST

Arguing over definitions again, I think - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:43:09 AM EST

No, "Evil" fits - (Ric Locke) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 09:38:57 PM EST

Seconded in spades. - (Ashton) - Feb. 17, 2002, 11:00:27 PM EST

Since a corporation by legal definition is an - (boxley) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:02:26 AM EST

After a long pause, my reply... - (screamer) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:49:01 PM EST

The kudos always go to those who - (Ashton) - Feb. 18, 2002, 06:13:57 PM EST

Mostly I agree - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:12:31 PM EST

It's a love fest then... - (screamer) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:48:16 AM EST

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But technology never seems to advance...

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