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New I kinda see your point....
We really do have a goal-oriented, progress-oriented, technology-oriented, travel-oriented, work-hard and play hard, time is money,
have-to-have-that-product approach to life. When you stop and think about it...its messed up. But such is the rich tapestry of life. Its not any particular service/device which seems wrong. There is a guy in Djibouti charging you 3 eggs to circumcise your goat and bless your family with the ashes of the burned foreskin. Why do I care?
What is disturbing is that we have a (seemingly) insatiable need for all these things and when all is said and done......after we piss away the best years of our lives so we can stay on this "ride" which is the consumer driven economy......we don't seem one bit happier for it. The seams of our lives are joined with glue called "needs and wants". We sell ourselves by pandering to the "needs" of a company. We try to persuade corp. America that they need our skills so much that they are prepared to pay us X dollars each week. Wy do we engage in this demeaning practice?....because America inc. has successfully persuaded us (collectively) that we really NEED to have premium cable channels, DVD players, minimum two and a half baths, a new car every 2 years, piano lessons for the kids, sneakers made from hi-tech materials, the latest diet craze, the latest health machine, a vacation to Aruba, a big TV, extra-green
lawns, Britney Spears new CD, Pizza with cheese in the crust, a device for turning chickens while they roast, the George Foreman
grilling thing, extra double latte, a $5 bag of popcorn at the movie theater, whiter teeth, dog treats which smell like bacon, the Time Life "Best Hits Of The 70s", a new cell-phone, a bigger monitor, more computer memory, a personal digial assistant, Nintendo gamecube, High Definition TV, an inground pool, a jucuzzi sauna, Cable internet, special bags for protecting your food from freezerburn, new Oxiclean which cleans anything better, central AC, a bloomin' onion, an electric stomach muscle stimulator, skin enriching creams, expensive designer boxer shorts, a watch which works 50meters underwater, a nosehair trimmer, a clap-on clap-off device for the lamp,
a jewellery cleaning device, something to make your golf swing better, an expensive moutain-bike, a new snowboard, a GPS
device, night-time vision binoculars, a barbie-doll's house, a tree house for the kids, a teddy bear which talks back at you,
a trainset made from real wood, a mont-blanc pen, new surround sound speakers, Dolby Digital 5.1 amplifier, shirts which
don't wrinkle, pants which are "nice", no smudge mascara, healthier more vibrant looking toenails, better financial advice,
a home security system, motion detectors on the lights, a flashlight which charges itself, brigher whiter lightbulbs, toilet paper
which won't scratch yer bum, antifreeze which works at 60 below and 30 million above, better kitchen knives,
an ear-thermometer, some perfume for the air to make it seem fresher, bleach alternative Tide, anti-bacteria sneaker liners,
a device for rewinding VHS tapes, some golf clubs and maybe a trolley, contact lenses, a digital camera, a Dremel drill, an
Andersen sliding patio door, premium sound in the car, a TV in the kids room, a Zip drive, a Wagner paint sprayer, a John Deere
ride on lawn mower, a better nights sleep, an air humidifier, a dehumidifier, all-wheel drive, a juicer which juices garden stones,
pimple hiding cream, a Sing And Snore Ernie, a GameBoy, a HEPA-filter vacuum, pills for stomach ache, back ache, diahorrea,
constipation, red itchy eyes, blue balls ................. and.................................. the latest drug which will make you less anxious.

There is some argument that we should be pitied as much as we are envied.
-- William Shatner's Trousers --
New Bravo!______..and, that's just the Short List_____
New It is very simple to understand
just compare life today to 100 years ago in this country. We didn't have a lot of technology, but then people were not overworked to death and were a lot happier. People also didn't get so overweight, unhappy, and had a lot of time to spend with their family and friends. Whats up with that?

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New What's up with that? ____Why merely:
a fundamental misunderstanding about "what constitutes the Good Life", of course. Under a mistaken and potentially lethal misapprehension, the word 'progress' was coined -- the idea that...

If you Could do something ?__? - You Should! (later on, 'You Should' became.. You Must!)

Discrimination became deranged, as the noise level of Buy Me! No.. Buy ME!! rose higher + the chance to make EZ-Money by manipulating the appetites of the naive: focussed on their emotional vulnerabilities, so as to maximize your own profit - regardless of consequences to anyone else or to the society as a whole.

See how powerful is The Word?

Progress, being misunderstood - has nearly Fucked us all. Toss-up how it will turn out... since so many consumption-addicts have been created - and they copulate, you know?



Ashton
Explanations R'Us AG
New One thing for sure
our founding fathers would be spinning in their graves if they knew what was going on in the modern USA. We got taxes out the wazoo, turned from a country of farmers into a country of consumers, our bill of rights keeps getting trampled on in favor of the megacorps, most US citizens do not care about the well-being of other US citizens, we got a homeless problem that hardly anyone cares about anymore, most people cannot seem to keep a job that will last them a lifetime (Corp downsizings, don't you know), and we have a new age slavery called wage slaves, etc. Plus most government officals are available to the highest bidder, so we have the best government that money can buy!

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New Not Them.. Us!_____Still looking for a scapegoat?
'We' did it to ourselves.

Remember those recreational shopping trips to the mall (when the $ was coming in regular like?) They are still Reeel popular - seem to provide gratification to the dullest of the unimaginitive, even as - both have to work to support the consumption habit, farm out the commodity child-care to other min-wage / no perks folk.

National credit card debt - the highest..
National personal savings - the lowest..

The Corps just pander to Our needs* -- exactly as do the (reviled) lawyers. If we weren't sue-happy spoiled brats with no sense of community - who would hire all those attorneys?

* except of course, as with Kraft (makers of LifeSavers\ufffd; now leaving Holland MI for Canada - because they can save money on sugar..) - Kraft will make a larger profit - but the consumer will see no price reduction. 'Our' needs are Not Their needs, we see. Still wanna buy LifeSavers\ufffd (or any Kraft ersatz cheese-like product) next ?? Or Walmart.. yada yada.

By all means: feed the monster who laughs at your predicament.

The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves - to coin a phrase. Then too... "we are what we eat". But the cliches won't save us either..

The admin will keep the war for [oil] going so's yer 12 mpg SUV still ~looks good - and GM gives 0% loans so you can get a New One on credit - even as your jobs evaporate (and they have one of the most profitable quarters in history) because we swallow: Buy More on Credit Now! to Keep the Dream Alive. QED?

Nope.. It's US! not Them.

(Yeah Norm I know - you saved and planned wisely; never bought new toys just because they were there - and still got bit on the ass. Truly sorry that.. yer compassionate conservative friends will just have to chalk it up to - you weren't Individually Responsible\ufffd enough!) Them's the breaks.


Ashton
New Just living costs money
If you own a car, you have to get it fixed. It will either drain your savings, or force you to put it on the card. Got sick? Need to go to a hospital? What do you use to pay the thousands of dollars on the bills that they give you. Dip into savings, or just put it on the card or make monthly payments (most hospitals around here want a paid in full, usually by credit card if cash or check is not available). Got a traffic ticket for going too fast (like everyone else, who honked at you for going too slow, and when you sped up, the cop clocked you at 3 miles over the limit) by an overzealous cop? Dip into savings again. Got a spouse and kids? You are going to pay more for them when they get sick, etc.

I have no big-screen TV, I don't have a DVD player (heck I wanted a Playstation 2, remember?), I have a 1987 economy car, I have an old house, and the only thing that I really spent money on was a faster computer with more parts to build another computer for use as a server. Am I "Living Large"? Not according to other people who have that nice new car (1987 car about worth $120-$300), the biggest screen TV they could not afford(Mine is a 1985 model 27 inches, resale value of about $50 now), a killer stereo system (I have a $15 Walkman clone from Wallgreens), expensive clothes (mine are mostly Hanes or Fruit of the Loom T-Shirts with a pocket. Some Polo-shirt clones for business causal days. Etc. All bought on sale.).

Well you get the idea. I had medical bills, car repairs, etc. Then I get accused of "living large" and spending too much money on junk?

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New One of the reasons....
....for the way business is becoming ever more ruthless and uncaring
is...paradoxically......because companies are now owned by a large
number of people (ie shareholders) who care about ONLY one thing.....
profit.
Many of us walk around feeling that we are reasonably moral and ethical
people in our dealings with the rest of society. What we don't realise
is that when we put our money into stocks......what we are inadvertently
doing is hiring somebody to go and do the f*cking over for us.
Once upon a time there used to be identifiable owners - some good some bad - who you could hold responsible for certain deeds.
Now this is no longer clear because we have depersonalized ownership. The owners are faceless wonders who don't even bother to vote at annual meetings. At best companies
are likely to behave only as well (or as badly) as the collective demands. I say at best, because into this managerial vacuum rush people with a boundless greed (they are addicts just like the majority). They line each others nests with quid-pro quo positions on the board ..... paying hundreds of thousands
of dollars for a sinecure.

So I agree with you...its "US" and we are doing it to ourselves.
The irony is that much of the wealth (and therefore share ownership) is still
in the hands of the few. The participation of the rest of us serves to legitimize behavior which is otherwise unconscionable.
Things won't get better until we stop thinking about how much we made last year
and start asking ourselves "is my neighbor okay?". What is totally absent is people asking themselves...."do I really *deserve* this".
DESERVE is a dirty word. How can it be any other way when we have state-sponsored gambling holding out the promise of untold millions, a tax system which is basically a game of hide-the-pea and a legal system with the capacity to make someone rich (or poor) in a New-York minute.
-- William Shatner's Trousers --
Expand Edited by Mike Feb. 21, 2002, 11:00:05 AM EST
New Oh really.
We didn't have a lot of technology, but then people were not overworked to death and were a lot happier.

What was the average life expectency?

How long was the average factory work day? How long was the average farm workday? (hint: damn near every waking hour.) Not overworked to death? Give me a break.

What happened when you got pneumonia? You died. What happened when you got tuberculosis? You died slowly. What happened if you got cancer? Well, they really didn't know about cancer much, and even if they had they wouldn't have been able to do anything about it, so you died. When a vicious little new strain of influenza swept around the world eighty years ago, millions died.

You seriously want to tell me that people were, in general, happier? I think your vision is being clouded by the pictures painted by those few people who actually had free leisure time to enjoy life.
Where each demon is slain, more hate is raised, yet hate unchecked also multiplies. - L. E. Modesitt, from his Recluse series
New Not to mention...
there was/were no:

Social Security
401k
Health insurance
Unemployment insurance
(and anything else FDR gave us)

Of course, since life expectancies were much shorter back then, most people didn't need these things.

And back then, unions were broken up by men with clubs.
Ray
     A majority of the fault of Sept 11 lies on - (nking) - (44)
         Why, then, do they work for the greedy corps? - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
             Re: Why, then, do they work for the greedy corps? - (dmarker2)
             But I don't see that happening. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                 They way it really is - (nking) - (1)
                     Remember our own industrial revolution. - (Brandioch)
         The truth shall set you free - (Ashton)
         What a crock - (gtall) - (19)
             We live in a world filled with lies - (nking) - (18)
                 Re: We live in a world filled with lies - (Ashton) - (2)
                     Lies R Us - (nking) - (1)
                         I have a simple solution... - (screamer)
                 Barter doesn't work - that's why we have money. - (Andrew Grygus) - (14)
                     Coupons! - (nking) - (13)
                         Yeah! Coupons! Hey, I've got this great idea! - (Ric Locke) - (11)
                             Not realy - (nking) - (10)
                                 So, I guess you're going to run right out . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (9)
                                     Her Wryness the LRPD sez: "Escape from the prison planet." -NT - (Ashton)
                                     Cheaper than a cash register POS system - (nking) - (7)
                                         Holes you could drive a planet through. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                                             Forget it then! - (nking) - (5)
                                                 Norm...you do realize... - (Simon_Jester)
                                                 dont forget to email me which bridge you and doc - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     I will do that - (nking)
                                                 Ya know. - (altmann) - (1)
                                                     It is not about that - (nking)
                         Norm - here's your idea in action - (SpiceWare)
         Growlf...your right...but your reasons are wrong. - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
             Correct.._____and correct. - (Ashton)
             Yeah, we robbed bin Laden blind. - (marlowe) - (1)
                 Didn't you argue... - (Simon_Jester)
         I kinda see your point.... - (Mike) - (9)
             Bravo!______..and, that's just the Short List_____ -NT - (Ashton)
             It is very simple to understand - (nking) - (7)
                 What's up with that? ____Why merely: - (Ashton) - (4)
                     One thing for sure - (nking) - (3)
                         Not Them.. Us!_____Still looking for a scapegoat? - (Ashton) - (2)
                             Just living costs money - (nking)
                             One of the reasons.... - (Mike)
                 Oh really. - (wharris2) - (1)
                     Not to mention... - (rsf)
         Interesting supposition...(good read) - (bepatient) - (3)
             Hmmm. I disagree on several points - (mhuber)
             Well written - (Ashton) - (1)
                 We did not deserve the WTC attacks - (nking)

Massteria!
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