Putting the cart before the horse

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Post #28,903

by jb4

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2/19/02 9:48:38 AM

Putting the cart before the horse

One can also "maximize profits" throught stock market manipulation[Enron], "cooking the books"[Enron, Micros~1], illegal marketing practices[Enron, Micros~1], monopolization[Micros~1, IBM, AT&T], lobbying to hamstring or outright outlaw your competition[any NTSA body shop], fraud[the list is too long to put here],...or by making the best damn product at a reasonable price and competing fairly in an open marketplace[ ]. (Notice the size of that list...)

hnick, I wasn't in BigAssedRoutersAndNetworks board room (or in their marketing dept, thank Ghod), but I sincerely doubt that BAR&N "nearly got their ass handed to them" simply because they "focused on absolute quality". There were other problems in their bizniss plan if they "nearly got their ass handed to them". Perhaps they "nearly got their ass handed to them" because they didn't give a rat's ass about customer satisfaction, or their prices were too high, or their routers were a pain in the ass to keep working, or whatever. Your premise is just too simplistic to be accurate.

jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)

Post #29,036

2/20/02 7:07:44 AM

Ok, you have a point

I've been with the company about 2 years since we were acquired. I have no idea what the business plan or products were like in the late 80's. My statement was a short version of what I was told during an indoctination speech immediately after the acquisition.

Yeah, it's simplistic. Your point.

Hugh

Corporations and evil - (JayMehaffey) - (99) - Feb. 15, 2002, 04:34:56 PM EST

Thanks for cutting through the bull. -NT - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2002, 04:36:28 PM EST

Figures you'd say that. -NT - (marlowe) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:22:19 PM EST

Nickel. -NT - (Silverlock) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:45:45 AM EST

Bull? BULL???? My posts were NOT BULL!!! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:58:57 PM EST

But does it have to be that way? - (Brandioch) - (37) - Feb. 15, 2002, 05:12:33 PM EST

I love those ethics. - (bepatient) - (34) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:13:44 PM EST

Jawohl! - (Brandioch) - (33) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:30:20 PM EST

You obviously know zero about this case..(added link) - (bepatient) - (32) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:36:18 PM EST

Hmmmmm, maybe you're right. - (Brandioch) - (31) - Feb. 15, 2002, 08:18:43 PM EST

A jury did settle it. - (bepatient) - (30) - Feb. 17, 2002, 08:23:52 PM EST

I've read the case. - (Brandioch) - (29) - Feb. 18, 2002, 01:52:33 PM EST

So... - (bepatient) - (28) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:52:36 PM EST

Just giving you enough rope. - (Brandioch) - (27) - Feb. 18, 2002, 07:52:52 PM EST

Answer the question. - (bepatient) - (26) - Feb. 18, 2002, 09:21:14 PM EST

You're just hanging yourself higher. - (Brandioch) - (25) - Feb. 18, 2002, 11:27:39 PM EST

Childish little prick - (drewk) - (8) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:39:57 AM EST

how do you know he's little ? ]:-> -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:41:45 AM EST

You can quote, but you lack understanding. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:16:09 PM EST

You don't need to be manipulated - (drewk) - (5) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:35:34 PM EST

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:00:23 PM EST

Oh, no wonder you're so upset - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:32:38 PM EST

Let's go over that again. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:56:20 PM EST

Don't bother DK... - (bepatient) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:19:37 PM EST

Don't bother DK... - (bepatient) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:20:01 PM EST

Yeah...sure... - (bepatient) - (15) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:59:23 AM EST

*SCORE* - (Brandioch) - (14) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:29:06 PM EST

Somebody needs to lighten up and get laid. - (Silverlock) - Feb. 19, 2002, 01:59:52 PM EST

Whatever. - (bepatient) - (12) - Feb. 19, 2002, 02:59:06 PM EST

Weasel weasel weasel.... - (Brandioch) - (11) - Feb. 19, 2002, 03:24:09 PM EST

The officers of Enron thank you for your support! - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - Feb. 19, 2002, 08:57:51 PM EST

Why oh why oh why. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:28:56 AM EST

Re: Why oh why oh why. - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 21, 2002, 12:17:14 AM EST

I'm so happy for you. - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:45:22 PM EST

Hey, I'm not the one with the problem. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:18:45 AM EST

say what? - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:29:22 AM EST

Um, okay. "What". - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:51:11 AM EST

thats fine -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:53:33 AM EST

Are you even trying anymore? - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:47:52 AM EST

Clarification. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 20, 2002, 12:12:50 PM EST

Sure... - (bepatient) - Feb. 21, 2002, 08:21:58 AM EST

B & J are eeeeevil! - (rsf) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:31:04 PM EST

Ben and Jerry's is GONE. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 16, 2002, 03:51:47 PM EST

Mom & Pop shops too? - (rsf) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:24:06 PM EST

Thank you for that. One point down. -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:12:53 PM EST

That depends - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:49:09 PM EST

So... - (bepatient) - (13) - Feb. 15, 2002, 07:15:52 PM EST

Just more sympathetic magic - (Ric Locke) - (11) - Feb. 15, 2002, 08:39:09 PM EST

Your making my point for me - (JayMehaffey) - (10) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:22:20 PM EST

Evil is as evil does - (nking) - (7) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:58:54 PM EST

I wouldn't have said it quite that way - (wharris2) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:11:46 AM EST

Re: Evil is as evil does - (Ric Locke) - (5) - Feb. 16, 2002, 06:52:29 PM EST

Then it is the evil managers - (nking) - Feb. 16, 2002, 08:42:53 PM EST

Trying to set some basis - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:05:26 AM EST

Relativism - (Ric Locke) - (2) - Feb. 17, 2002, 09:17:31 PM EST

Re: Relativism - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 18, 2002, 01:23:24 AM EST

Interesting. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:05:31 PM EST

Evil is as evil does - (nking) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:06:33 AM EST

What acts in an evil manner? - (marlowe) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:20:04 PM EST

Re: So... - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:22:26 PM EST

Another "by that logic" - (wharris2) - (28) - Feb. 15, 2002, 11:48:33 PM EST

How many times must I hammer this - (JayMehaffey) - (27) - Feb. 16, 2002, 12:16:14 AM EST

I must have overlooked it - (wharris2) - (24) - Feb. 16, 2002, 02:12:21 AM EST

If you get scared you must overlook it, besides you knew - (nking) - (23) - Feb. 16, 2002, 11:53:04 AM EST

Norm, you gotta get over this... - (hnick) - (22) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:40:08 PM EST

Did you even bother to read my posts - (nking) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2002, 05:11:27 PM EST

Re: Did you even bother to read my posts - (hnick) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 08:13:15 AM EST

Reform! - (nking) - Feb. 17, 2002, 03:12:48 PM EST

Interesting phrasing there. - (Brandioch) - (5) - Feb. 16, 2002, 09:19:15 PM EST

Hmmmm interesting! - (nking) - Feb. 16, 2002, 10:40:49 PM EST

Hmmm - (rsf) - (3) - Feb. 19, 2002, 12:17:46 AM EST

We seem to have come full circle - back to the daleross(?) - (Ashton) - (2) - Feb. 19, 2002, 12:47:53 AM EST

Not as stoichastic as you suggest... - (hnick) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 07:57:58 AM EST

Allow me to clarify. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 19, 2002, 05:42:58 PM EST

I think you've hit on the REAL problem... - (jb4) - (12) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:27:32 PM EST

Once that may have been true - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:35:50 PM EST

Sadly, I believe you are correct. - (hnick) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2002, 06:14:49 PM EST

Putting the cart before the horse - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2002, 09:48:38 AM EST

Ok, you have a point - (hnick) - Feb. 20, 2002, 07:07:44 AM EST

Now this may sound silly - (nking) - (7) - Feb. 18, 2002, 09:28:36 PM EST

And your point is...? - (jb4) - (5) - Feb. 20, 2002, 09:27:45 AM EST

My point, dear JB, - (nking) - (4) - Feb. 20, 2002, 11:50:13 PM EST

Not necessarily true - (rsf) - (3) - Feb. 21, 2002, 02:05:38 AM EST

What you fail to mention... - (jb4) - (2) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:39:23 AM EST

I know, I know... - (rsf) - (1) - Feb. 22, 2002, 01:38:29 PM EST

At the very least - (nking) - Feb. 22, 2002, 10:23:37 PM EST

And your point is...? - (jb4) - Feb. 20, 2002, 09:28:37 AM EST

Must you hammer this??? - (folkert) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2002, 04:38:03 PM EST

The part I was hammering - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:24:40 AM EST

Setting aside their personal morality for the company? - (marlowe) - (6) - Feb. 16, 2002, 01:14:12 PM EST

been there done that - (boxley) - (5) - Feb. 16, 2002, 07:18:25 PM EST

'Evil' Corporations..? - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 16, 2002, 10:21:42 PM EST

Arguing over definitions again, I think - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 17, 2002, 01:43:09 AM EST

No, "Evil" fits - (Ric Locke) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2002, 09:38:57 PM EST

Seconded in spades. - (Ashton) - Feb. 17, 2002, 11:00:27 PM EST

Since a corporation by legal definition is an - (boxley) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:02:26 AM EST

After a long pause, my reply... - (screamer) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2002, 02:49:01 PM EST

The kudos always go to those who - (Ashton) - Feb. 18, 2002, 06:13:57 PM EST

Mostly I agree - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Feb. 18, 2002, 10:12:31 PM EST

It's a love fest then... - (screamer) - Feb. 19, 2002, 11:48:16 AM EST

Reese's Pieces? Am I in a different pit this time?
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