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New Harrumphhhh
Given the Times... (and price of a stand-alone Wang)
And speaking as a one acquainted with programming at the time - but never immersed, let alone submerged to the point of oxygen starvation of the little grey cells - -

Methinks the gentleman doth snipe ungratefully at the possibilities of 64 KILObytes, the infancy of grokking what the average Josephine-6pack might manage -- and lots more ways we could characterize WordStar's milieu. (This without going into the peculiarities of Mr. Rubenstein - apparently as warped a persona as young Billy, the ly$dexic perpetual kid-twit.)

Sure, opening Two docs would have been nice. Color, too.
That said, I reiterate the fact of WS's clever, simple Useful mnemonics == contrast that with the utterly Meaningless scheme of WordImperfect: "just set up a table; use up all the <alt><ctrl><et al> combos to see how many things you might want to do: and randomize the 'Menu' -- for programmer lazy-convenience."

[omit further testimonials]

You should have seen friend Patty - cranking out a proposal, having to do with the (CANDU) Canadian boiling-water reactor... Rife with 92U235 notations, multiply! in most sentences -- flying off her fingers.

(You think the handy 'diamond' Too-exercised ?? Well, that depends on whether you'll trade lightning speed du jour, for the as-yet unrecognized RSS coming along later. I deem that opinion ~ personal taste as opposed to any demonstrable actual 'deficit.')

IIRC, we had to correct maybe a handful of typos on that project..
A Zorba made by Mod Comp (the FLA outfit trying to break into consumer toy computers. We used some of their Minis at the Lab) - with at least, a 9" screen to help the eyes - corrections lots Easier than on the 5" Otrona or the silly-scrolling Osborne1.

In sum - WS Got It Right, apparently - a memorizable command set. It just worked, and the tyro could begin actual work output, recalling only a handful of commands: but KNEW where next to look, to amplify on those as occasion demanded. Without an 8x10 laminated crib sheet, set in Agate type.

Without removing hands from the Home row, from whence Everything happened.



Ya gots ta do better than "pro type-setting omissions" to dis WS, bub..

New I can dis it all I want . . .
. . because the EMACS derivatives I was using would run in just as little memory with an even easier to memorize command set - and could edit a half dozen documents at a time under CP/M-80. What'd I have in my S100 machine - 32k I think, and 8" floppy based - and it worked just fine.

The fact that expensive dedicated word processors were far worse is a weak excuse in my opinion.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus July 2, 2007, 05:24:37 PM EDT
New Unresolvable, of course -
You deem the EMACS command set to be as easily grokked by the Utterly Nontechnical as ... WS.

(I'd agree re 'Patty' - but she was hardly an average 'typewriter-trained' office employee, nor was she intimidated by as-yet unfamiliar techno. Now about all those flashing 00:00:00s on all those Difficult-VCRs, then and almost-still: the pool from which typists were drawn... And Presyudents.)

Unresolvable by logical what-ifs, I wot.

New Imagine using
Microsoft Word without a mouse. (Well anything Microsoft, really)

There would be a close approximation. Except Word would be less powerful and flexible.

What about data entry types that have every screen they type to memorized. I've seen them (in the days of serial terms) 10 screens ahead with input.

If you could realistically use Word without using a mouse, I'd imagine people would get far more done in a day. Though yes, the hand would cramp having to do a mind-meld grip to do some formatting options.

Ashton think about Wordperfect BEFORE the GUI came to be realistic. Legal secretaries knew it inside and out... not because it was easy to understand the key bindings... but because they were consistent enough to be able to be trained exceptionally well.

EMACS is very much the same kind of creature. Consistent, easily trainable (though I still don't use it) and very extensible. Extensible as much or as little as you want. Unlike Word.

You need to stop assuming there is a deviant plot to ANYTHING tech we here use. I use Linux, because I have the ability to make it my own and understand it. I could force you to use it and train you as well, rather than WindowsLITE or MAC*R*US, thereby causing you to stop assuming things.

Of course all assumptions are not what they appear to be, now, are they?
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New Crtl-F for forward, Ctrl-B for back . . .
. . Ctrl-D for delete - yep, real esoteric it is. And Ctrl-X for extended commands is just so much more difficult to comprehend than Ctrl-K.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New upper case D to delete rest of line, lower case x to delete
character much better. EMACS makes a fine programming tool. vi is the best editor. Although I was partial to the editor that came with brown bag software... cant recall the name at the moment
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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New Just further proof that using vi cripples the mind.
A modal (text vs. command) editor with case sensitive commands is an abomination on two counts.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New "Electric Pen"?
New I recall "Electric Pencil", but not "Pen"
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Ah - got it!
It was [link|http://www.dans20thcenturyabandonware.com/text/sw-catalogs/software-catalog-dos-sw.txt|PC-Outline!]. Seems they [link|http://www.allbusiness.com/technology/computer-software/326731-1.html|sued Symantec for copyright infringement] too.


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New close, it was pc-write, good list!
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New I loved PC-Outline
Never found an Outliner that worked like it again.
     Whatever happened to WordStar? - (lincoln) - (32)
         I never liked it. - (Andrew Grygus) - (27)
             Who ever said it was supposed to be a "text *formatter*"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (14)
                 Because it is. - (Andrew Grygus) - (13)
                     No it (HTML) is not; as you say, it is the browser that is. - (CRConrad) - (10)
                         That's just nuts. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9)
                             Incorrect. - (pwhysall) - (8)
                                 CSS sucks for table-like things, though. - (admin)
                                 I think you're unfamiliar with the days . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                                     Eye Sea Elle ARRRR Peedee. (new thread) - (folkert)
                                     Jeez.. I think you just described - (Ashton)
                                     SGML isn't a layout language. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                         Pretty cocky of you to think I wouldn't know any of those - (drewk) - (2)
                                             Well, I've heard of the BBC Micro and Acorn . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                 mmm, marrowfat peas. - (pwhysall)
                     No, not "like any wordprocessor". - (pwhysall) - (1)
                         See above . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Harrumphhhh - (Ashton) - (11)
                 I can dis it all I want . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (10)
                     Unresolvable, of course - - (Ashton) - (9)
                         Imagine using - (folkert)
                         Crtl-F for forward, Ctrl-B for back . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                             upper case D to delete rest of line, lower case x to delete - (boxley) - (6)
                                 Just further proof that using vi cripples the mind. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 "Electric Pen"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     I recall "Electric Pencil", but not "Pen" -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 Ah - got it! - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                     close, it was pc-write, good list! -NT - (boxley)
                                     I loved PC-Outline - (crazy)
         It sucked. It deserved to die. -NT - (bepatient) - (3)
             Any who were Real- (and fast-) *touch-typists* will demur - (Ashton) - (2)
                 As a very fast touch typist - I still demur . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     I do 70wpm on a good day... - (pwhysall)

I swear, if I had the Holy Hand Grenade that hamster would be a blood pie.
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