Growlf...your right...but your reasons are wrong.

Post #28,796 by Simon_Jester 2/18/02 9:57:06 AM Reply	Growlf...your right...but your reasons are wrong. Norm, in short you are arguing that the US Government should've done more to prevent the attack. However it is (imo) impossible to prevent the possibility of attack...it is impossible to prevent someone from taking an action. We could've increased security at airport...made it harder for them to get in. But that would've meant that some other action would've been taken - there's always a vulnerability. And I don't agree with your statements regarding 3rd world countries. A lot of them do hate us (imo) but not because their kids are working at 15c an hour. I think a lot of them hate us because we (as a nation) act in our self interest (rather than theirs). We'll put a dictator in power (and support them) who'll rob the people blind (and kill them) if he'll support the USA. (Saudia Arabia may be a perfect example of this.)
Post #28,839 by Ashton 2/18/02 4:06:24 PM Reply	Correct.._____and correct. Stripped of the inevitable tangential mutterings we all love to embroider with + the luxury of 20/20 assessment (the only magical 'causality' we ever see == always looking back and then seeing / saying.. D'Oh!) It does resolve to just as simple as - your remarks. IMhO too. Still.. given that the yet unFaced -->\| National angst over the entire tissue of lies and self-deception and jingoism as led us into adolescent spasm-war in Vietnam / the dehumanizing of that population into A) Commyunists! (and Not Aryan) ergo Not-human B) Not-human ergo: $^($#$ Gooks, Slopes, ___* C) So it's OK to bomb those vermin back to the stone-age... D) And.. We Did. We. Period. We must remain vigilant for the recurrence of that level of frustration (with getting Our Way) which can lead the US into a replay of using all our demonic weapons; see A) thru D). And fucking well make sure there ISN'T a replay tantrum <--- Ashton who could list 50 massive vulnerabilities of our self-indulgent comfort-besotted kultur - easily attacked, Next. And I'm not even that smart.
Post #28,931 by marlowe 2/19/02 12:03:15 PM Reply	Yeah, we robbed bin Laden blind. He grew up poor and depreived because he stole all his lunch money. That's why he hates us. Oh, wait a minute. he's a billionarire because of Western investment in Saudi Arabia. never mind. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #28,938 by Simon_Jester 2/19/02 1:12:49 PM Reply	Didn't you argue... He grew up poor and depreived because he stole all his lunch money. That's why he hates us. Oh, wait a minute. he's a billionarire because of Western investment in Saudi Arabia. never mind. Didn't you argue that bin Ladin attacked us out of 'envy'? (Glad to see you now recognize his financial wealth already dominates most of 'us'. Interesting concept of 'envy' you have.) In any case, he's a billionaire because he's family is, what, the 2nd richest family in Saudia Arabia behind the Royal family? So..I don't think it has anything to do with his 'lunch money'. More likely, it has to do with the beliefs of his countrymen and himself - which seem to be far more fundamental than that the Royal family. He might believe, for instance, that if the US wasn't backing the Royal family, he would be in charge and run things as Allah wanted. (Of course, the US backs the Royal family because they do things as the US wants and not as how Allah wants. ;-) But that's a different story.) As for my general allegation - Panama, Iran, Philippines, Nicaragua, Cuba....all countries where the US backed leaders that were robbing/killing their people blind. (and that's off the top of m' head!)

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