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New A demoted Old Testament?
As pointed out before, the Christian church obsoleted the Jewish covenent. Presumably, the theologically correct justication is that Jesus Christ, being an officially appointed prophet, taught a shiny, new philosophy and replaced the package deal with god. This includes transferring faith from the Old Testament to the New. This would explain the radical differences between the two and why Christians can ignore the contradictions. The Old Testament has been divinely demoted to an historical archive, its wisdom is no longer the best and any laughable stories were merely a useful fiction to sustain ancient Israelites.

That certain churches quote from the Old Testament as if it trumps man-made philosophies merely indicates they don't understand their own religion. As the New Testament does not mention sodomy, god hated 'fags' in the past but is now indifferent.

So, when a 'Christian' quotes from the old book, how can he be correctly informed that it's obsolete, preferably by quotes from the new book?
Matthew Greet


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New make any argument you like at your own risk :-)
I have pointed that out many times.
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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New You are being too logical
The NT doesn't really make the OT obsolete. The NT is not a complete doctrine by itself. Paul and other early church leaders did the best they could to tie the two together, but the Paul was not a top notch Rabbi, if he was a Rabbi at all. He really didn't understand the logical system that was the beginnings of the modern rabbinical system the Jews have today.

Explaining the relationship between the OT and the NT is a big part of what Christian religious leader do and how they maintain they status as religious leaders. Showing the lack of a strong logical thread between the two books is just going to be considered proof that you don't get it.

Seamus
New Not a complete doctrine?
What did I just say - Christianity is a sub-cult.

Adoption of the Old Testament is lamentable but it was probably the most coherent thing they could get hold of - having been periodically organized, revised and republished to support the political ambitions of particular rulers.
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New There is an unexpected plus in there also
There was an unexpected plus in the Christians pairing of the New and Old Testament.

Because Christianity is a guilt and faith cult, it turns out there is an advantage in having impossible standards, contradictions in doctrine and inexplicable stories in the hold book.

People have to constantly work at their faith and regularly feel guilty for failing. But they are trained to respond to such feelings by working harder at double think, obeying the church and donating more.

Jay
New IMO it is not really a sub-cult
It borrows lots of elements from different religions, definitely the mystery religions, but it was able to mask those elements, over time, so well that it is hard to say that it really is a sub-cult of anything.

The intellectual endeavors of finding consistency between the OT and the NT is a big part of its success. So losing the link doesn't seem like a possibility.


Seamus
New just think of those poor bassars in the pulpits
if they couldnt use the juicy bits in the OT. On the other hand the congragations on the east coast would be able to get home in time for the afternoon kickoffs.
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

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New Not obsolete, just updated
The new contract only partially replaces the old contract, where no new clause is specified the old still stands.

After all, God is constant. His beliefs don't change, if he ruled against something in ancient times then that still stands. Except in those parts that he felt the need to update. Or which everybody ignores now days because some parts turned out to be impossible to keep and others are just silly.

For certain Christian sects. One of the more subtle but important differences between different Christian churches is exactly how they view the relation between the old and new.

Jay
     A demoted Old Testament? - (warmachine) - (7)
         make any argument you like at your own risk :-) - (boxley)
         You are being too logical - (Seamus) - (4)
             Not a complete doctrine? - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                 There is an unexpected plus in there also - (JayMehaffey)
                 IMO it is not really a sub-cult - (Seamus) - (1)
                     just think of those poor bassars in the pulpits - (boxley)
         Not obsolete, just updated - (JayMehaffey)

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