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New Nice try
As you pointed out, there is a negative connotation.

Mere advocating isn't enough.

The negative aspect is because shills present a trustworthy side, a side that people see as a competent or safe. While their goal is to push a particular viewpoint or product, that is not the focus of the conversation. So then it becomes it becomes issue of trust betrayed.

So starting out with an imagined a, and then saying a=b, b=c, so therefore c=a doesn't really do a lot for you. No matter how many words you want to put in my mouse (or type from my hands). The history is clear to read.

What really irks you is my attitude toward MS

Nope. Your hit and run postings that start out as a straight forward observation that is single sided. Because you are single sided. So when someone posts a competing viewpoint you dismiss it with a wave of your hand.

"These are not the droids you are looking for"

Except it doesn't work.

I also do see others go a bit rabid on the "He's shill! - Kill Him!" mode, which goes a bit above and beyond. I don't want that. I merely want you to learn enough about the alternatives that are out there so when someone does do an alternative post, you can engage.

Because at that moment, you might post something about the MS environment I'm forced to work in, and it might end up helping me.

New Re: Nice try
I'm glad to find you in a more conciliatory mood
but I'm really not sure what you're looking for

The post that began this discussion was from me
I noted that 2 of my 3 Vista installs had succeeded
the one that failed was the one done by the recommended MS method

this morphed into a discussion of UAC which I believed (and believe) that several of the posters did not understand how it works for non-admin users

then the 'inevitable' shill thing came up and here we are

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New The passing point..
...where your argument and the others seemed to "pass like ships in the night" was in the qualifier of "non-admin users".

In a locked down corp environment I think we all understand that there are things lowly users will not be able to do, like remove or disable UAC. HOWEVER, this doesn't represent most users...since they are home machines where the main user is also the admin.

As for the definition of shill, I haven't been convinced to change my perception of the word, which still aligns largely with yours.
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     I disagree - (crazy) - (18)
         Duly noted :-) - (bepatient)
         Ummm . . not quite. - (Andrew Grygus)
         Shill has connotations - (andread) - (15)
             #2 all the way - (crazy) - (14)
                 I'm a shill... - (folkert) - (13)
                     No you are not - (crazy) - (12)
                         You just proved my point -NT - (andread) - (11)
                             Go back and review "our" interactions. - (crazy) - (10)
                                 Re: Go back and review "our" interactions. - (andread) - (9)
                                     Bullsh*t - (crazy) - (8)
                                         "Paid", sic. HTH! (That goes for all people. :-) -NT - (CRConrad)
                                         Don't be so hard on him. - (Another Scott)
                                         nit, if he doesnt have much exposure outside of his - (boxley) - (1)
                                             nit not accepted - (crazy)
                                         Re: Bullsh*t - (andread) - (3)
                                             Nice try - (crazy) - (2)
                                                 Re: Nice try - (andread) - (1)
                                                     The passing point.. - (bepatient)

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