Accidents happen. :-(

Post #284,542 by Another Scott 5/13/07 9:34:49 AM Reply	Accidents happen. :-( Chlorine added to water isn't natural, either. In the proper amount, flourine in water is beneficial in preventing tooth decay. Too much is deadly. In the proper amount, chlorine in water is beneficial in preventing illness. Too much is deadly. Much of life is like that. Unfortunately. I know this hits close to home for you. Having friends and relatives affected by a poisoning event (whether due to an accident or caused by incompetence) is a terrible thing. Condolences. Cheers, Scott.
Post #284,547 by boxley 5/13/07 11:20:26 AM Reply	brushing you teeth with salt or having it prescribed is one thing but to insist that all must partake whether you like it or not means ya'll agree with the regency u grads like OSHUA BLAKE: Instead of promoting the individual's liberties necessarily, we are looking at what's good for people as far as these values that are found in the Bible. substituting the bible forconcensus science which is a subterfuge for crap science. Some folks around here arnt a whole lot different. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #284,551 by Seamus 5/13/07 12:30:52 PM Reply	Do you have issues with all Public Health Initiatives or just some like fluoride in the drinking water? Seamus
Post #284,558 by boxley 5/13/07 4:25:04 PM Reply	where a public issue of forcing public intake of substances for dubious results Im against. I also think small pox vaccine should be mandatory. DDT in mosquito areas. Notice both have proven track records. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #284,559 by bepatient 5/13/07 4:27:44 PM Reply	This one is simple no proven benefit and high risk as shown in his example. Its not like chlorine where its disinfectant props are easily demonstrated. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #284,562 by Another Scott 5/13/07 5:01:15 PM Reply	That's a pretty strong statement. Can you back it up with detail comparable to [link\|http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf\|this PDF from the ADA] (72 pages)? Thanks. Cheers, Scott.
Post #284,565 by boxley 5/13/07 5:36:12 PM Reply	sure no prob alaska native villages have been under imposed floridation for some time, my mil, sil, wife who never would drink the water from the taps have normal dentation for reasonable according to the general american population of similar age but except for my wife withoutt access to regular dental care. Now lets look at the native population specifically. [link\|http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:zxaV3nYDqWMJ:www.aap.org/nach/Halliday%2520presentation.pdf+dental+decay+alaska+native+populations&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&lr=lang_en&client=firefox-a\|http://209.85.165.10...&client=firefox-a] s/Alaska Natives American Indian and Alaska Native oral health findings from past surveys one out of three children report missing school because of dental pain one out of four children avoid laughing or smiling, one out of five avoid meeting other people because of the way their teeth look one out of four adults are unable to chew hard foods, 20% report difficulty sleeping, and 15% limit their activities (I.e. work and leisure) as a consequence of dental pain according to you sucking down all that floride should prevent that. It does not in any measurable meaning. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #284,568 by Another Scott 5/13/07 5:59:03 PM Reply	Better link. [link\|http://www.aap.org/nach/Halliday%20presentation.pdf\|Overview of the Indian Health Service]. It doesn't mention fluoride. I don't doubt that health care, including dental care, among Native Americans is poor and substandard. It's a crime that they've been treated so badly by the USA for so long. The closest article that I've been able to find that talks about fluoridation issues on Indian reservations is [link\|http://adr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/11/2/210\|this] 7 page .pdf. It compares Navajo and Lakota experiences with Baltimore and San Antonio. Unfortunately, it doesn't come to any clear conclusions (at least none that jump out at me quickly) but does discuss many factors that make comparisons difficult. Cheers, Scott. (Who realizes that this should have been branched to Epi and Health quite a while ago...)
Post #284,574 by boxley 5/13/07 6:36:52 PM Reply	point==missed the older non floride consuming folks have decent teeth, the young kids whose diet is much whitified have rotten teeth. If floride was so good, the teeth should match folks in other floridated white areas, it doesnt. So floride has done no appreciable good in these areas and exposes a risk of death and illness. That is the point Im looking at. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #284,571 by bepatient 5/13/07 6:10:17 PM Reply	Re: That's a pretty strong statement. [link\|http://www.fluoridation.com/calgaryh.htm\|http://www.fluoridation.com/calgaryh.htm] Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #284,576 by boxley 5/13/07 6:43:15 PM Reply	like this quote (jump to e&h) (new thread) Created as new thread #284575 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=284575\|like this quote (jump to e&h)] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #284,577 by Another Scott 5/13/07 7:43:06 PM Reply	I think the ADA pdf rebuts that very, very well. YMMV.
Post #284,597 by boxley 5/14/07 9:41:51 AM Reply	who paid for that pdf and put it before them to endorse? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #284,646 by Ashton 5/14/07 5:21:51 PM Reply	Just attribute all uncomfortable conclusions to malice. Saves so much trouble ... ... using own brain to dissect, evaluate basic physics concepts - from Experience.

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