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New Question for Ashton and other Literary Buffs
By a weird coincidence last night I found myself reading the entire Shakespeare play of Julius Caesar. (was reminded of the conspiracy murder by a recent CSI episode review I read).

I was wondering, does anyone know if this Julius Caesar in the play was THE Caesar at the time of Christ's crucifixion, and if so, was his death shortly after that event or many years later?

Also, it claims that Brutus, upon his deeds, plunged his country into civil war. When did Rome have a civil war? I don't remember that event.

Thanks in advance. :)

Brenda

Edit: Corrected, just a typo, Thanks Peter.



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Expand Edited by Nightowl May 5, 2007, 03:20:30 PM EDT
New rome had many civil wars, Tiberious was the cesear then
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New Re: rome had many civil wars, Tiberious was the cesear then
Thanks, Boxley. :)

I didn't know Rome had many Civil Wars. I couldn't quite figure out why Brutus's conspiracy to kill Julius and subsequent actions started one though.

Much obliged. :)

Brenda



"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
****************************

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
***********************************

"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
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New *fume*
Shakespeare.



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New Ah, just a typo, thanks Peter. I corrected it. :)
P.S. That's what happens when I try to post while watching playoff hockey. ;)

Nightowl >8#



"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
****************************

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
***********************************

"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
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Expand Edited by Nightowl May 5, 2007, 03:21:51 PM EDT
New SHAKSPEER
:P
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
New The Shak has no peers. HTH!
:-)
New Isn't Shak 3 coming out later this month?
bcnu,
Mikem

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New naw they went out in the first round
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New What's so hard about Wikipedia, "Julius_Caesar", Enter?
Or, for that matter, Google, "Julius Caesar", Enter?

I mean, sure, we're happy to help... But with shit that is literally at your fucking fingertips anyway?!? Don't be THAT fucking lazy.


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New dunno about that wikipedia, conservapedia maybe
or check with some people whose opinions you trust :-)
thanx,
bill
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New Do you have any issues with the Wikipedia article?
Because Conservapedia is a load of toss from one end to the other.

The Julius Caesar article on there is more basic than a summary written by a 14-year-old.


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New chain==yanked (both ways)
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New I searched first...
There were way too many Caesars that came up for me to figure it out. Besides, I asked ASHTON. ;)

Brenda



"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
****************************

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
***********************************

"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
*********************************
New Re: I searched first...
Don't give us that crap:

[link|http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=caesar|http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=caesar]

Top hit.


Peter
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New Could think of no reply which wouldn't disappoint
-- when you're going-sdrawkcab <-- from a cheap modrin melodrama, made by MBAs purely for advertising $$ ... any pretense of 'art' being way down the list. And relating that to 'Rome'.

As mentioned in thread, there're several hundred hours of reading to be grokked - recalling at the outset that: C\ufffdsar was an honorary title.. and their characters varied from.. worse than Cheney + neoconmen, upwards to the memorable ones who attempted to be real Mensch material (via whatever personal vision of achievable 'Goodness'.)

I know of no way to condense the History of Rome into a Readers Disgust-level quickie.. y'know? As I don't consider self even a decent 'amateur historian', I'm also at a loss to recommend a particular First Primer on Rome -- kinda depends upon how *you* tend to learn such tableaux..

Lastly, I'd think you're at a great disadvantage in assessing confidently - the scurrilous nature of those obsessed with Power (political, financial, social whatever) of today's lot - without a sense of this lengthy history. Or, to tie Rome + other literature:

Want to comprehend a Cheney, or a dry-drunk wastrel like Shrub?
Think: Cheney as Iago ('Otello the Moor') a whisperin grandiose fantasies into a vain dullard's ear.
Shrub as Caligula (the Guccione-porn version or.. other)

ie. Modern and historical bastards behave like the archetypes (whether ignorant of them or not: the worst ones are the ones who Know what motherfuckers They Are, of course.. safe to say that neither Cheney nor Shrub have a clue. We call that, 'denial'.)

Ask local librarian; they Love to be asked to 'tailor' a huge selection to a particular query; they've invested years of study to that end (and you'll know much more about the folks around you, when you've discovered a bit about Rome and its demise, I wot.)


And.. it's never Too-Late for this.

New You might try Colleen McCullough
These books to start:

[link|http://www.amazon.com/First-Man-Rome-Masters/dp/0099462486/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1260530-7808047?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178799290&sr=1-1|http://www.amazon.co...1178799290&sr=1-1]

or

[link|http://www.amazon.com/Caesar-Masters-Rome-Colleen-McCullough/dp/0099460432/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-1260530-7808047?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178799290&sr=1-3|http://www.amazon.co...1178799290&sr=1-3]

I read First Man when it came out and I would recommend it.
Seamus
New Gibbon's Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire is the answer
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New Sorry but.. Never! is there "The Answer\ufffd"

New Re: "Besides, I asked ASHTON. ;)"
Huh?!?

What the fuck do you think this is?

You want to have a private conversation with somebody, use a private communication medium, like e-mail.


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New I see you continue to be a thoroughly pleasant human being.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
New Yup. And you?
What, were you trying to be sarcastic or something?

So how fucking "thoroughly pleasant" is *that*?


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New Not very, I guess.
It's just that even now, after all the years I've been on this board (and off, and lurking, and on, and off, and lurking) your vehemence about nearly everything continues to genuinely surprise me.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
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New Huh? What was so particularly "vehement" about that?
Just a friendly note, stated in perfectly neutral terms, about using the appropriate medium for different kinds of conversations.

*I* must confess that even now, after all the years I've been on this board (and other more or less, or much less, similar places on the 'Net), people's views on what exactly constitutes "vehemence" continue to genuinely surprise *me*.

Really, honestly: What, exactly, is particularly "vehement" about
Huh?!?

What the fuck do you think this is?

You want to have a private conversation with somebody, use a private communication medium, like e-mail.
?

I don't see it.


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New 'Vehemence' ... has a certain lilt
As for moi, I Say

(as is oft the case with our apparently quite emotionally-sane adopted-Finn)

Vehemence - against even nascent Language Murder, in all it's forms - is no Vice!

-- copped from some Goldwater guy, sorta -
except, when He used that phrase in original form -- [Extremism] [..no vice.]
Likely, it cost him the election.

Muricans have now Turned That (election-losing inference) on its Head, embracing the lunatic as long-lost brother. We may draw our own conclusions about karma, coming due, about now.

..but I digress.


     Question for Ashton and other Literary Buffs - (Nightowl) - (24)
         rome had many civil wars, Tiberious was the cesear then -NT - (boxley) - (1)
             Re: rome had many civil wars, Tiberious was the cesear then - (Nightowl)
         *fume* - (pwhysall) - (5)
             Ah, just a typo, thanks Peter. I corrected it. :) - (Nightowl)
             SHAKSPEER - (cwbrenn) - (3)
                 The Shak has no peers. HTH! -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                     Isn't Shak 3 coming out later this month? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         naw they went out in the first round -NT - (boxley)
         What's so hard about Wikipedia, "Julius_Caesar", Enter? - (CRConrad) - (15)
             dunno about that wikipedia, conservapedia maybe - (boxley) - (2)
                 Do you have any issues with the Wikipedia article? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                     chain==yanked (both ways) -NT - (boxley)
             I searched first... - (Nightowl) - (11)
                 Re: I searched first... - (pwhysall)
                 Could think of no reply which wouldn't disappoint - (Ashton) - (3)
                     You might try Colleen McCullough - (Seamus)
                     Gibbon's Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire is the answer -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                         Sorry but.. Never! is there "The Answer\ufffd" -NT - (Ashton)
                 Re: "Besides, I asked ASHTON. ;)" - (CRConrad) - (5)
                     I see you continue to be a thoroughly pleasant human being. -NT - (cwbrenn) - (4)
                         Yup. And you? - (CRConrad) - (3)
                             Not very, I guess. - (cwbrenn) - (2)
                                 Huh? What was so particularly "vehement" about that? - (CRConrad)
                                 'Vehemence' ... has a certain lilt - (Ashton)

I took the liberty of fixing the punctuation.
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