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New You can believe what you like.
I feel about Hillary like I did about Bush in 2000. They are simply frauds and gender has nothing to do with it.

Whatever their politics, Golda Myer, Margaret Thatcher, and Indira Gandhi showed that a woman can effectively lead a nation. Hillary is just not in that class.

And, I'm not missing the machinations of Rudy or McCain or Mitt either. We're just not talking about them at present.
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New I think that one of the biggest strikes against her...
is the fact that many people (at least think they) were traumatized by the Clinton years and don't want to revisit them. That part of it is visceral - it really doesn't matter what her policies or voting record are.

Having a Clinton or a Bush as President for 24 - 28 years straight isn't very good for the country, either.

I think this line of argument will gradually wear away at Hillary's lead and Obama and Richardson will benefit - at least until they become better known...

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who thinks that it's still wide open for the "major" candidates on both sides until January 2008.)
New What Obama reminds me of.
Remember when Doonesbury had a character that was invisible? That's Obama. An empty suit. Except when he, on occassion, materializes and does something truly un-American. Like vote to make parts of the Patriot Act permanent, for instance.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New So, did you call HIM such NASTY things? No? Q.E. frickin' D!
New That may be.
But, in 2000, after the W's despicable hatchet job on John McCain in South Carolina, I sent the McCain campaign some money. Never before or since have I sent money to a presidential campaign. Talk is cheap.
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New The only candidate to ever get my dough was Jerry Brown. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
     Some 2008 contribution demographics - (Seamus) - (92)
         name the candidate who is not an lawyer :-( -NT - (boxley) - (1)
             "A lawyer" [or "an attorney"]. HTH! -NT - (CRConrad)
         And guess who owns the skank? - (a6l6e6x) - (89)
             the industrialists thought that they owned hitler atthe time -NT - (boxley)
             Et tu, Alexus? - (CRConrad) - (87)
                 if she was black - (boxley) - (5)
                     I was looking for comments from you - (Seamus) - (3)
                         no worries, coudnt tell anything under the cottage cheese -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                             So you're an ageist also? -NT - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                 nope Im an assist - (boxley)
                     Thank you for proving my point so conclusively. -NT - (CRConrad)
                 Mrs. Clinton delighteth me not, but - (rcareaga) - (80)
                     dont mind sex meself - (boxley) - (2)
                         Yeah, it does. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             Amen! - (jb4)
                     Not misogyny, my friend. - (a6l6e6x) - (76)
                         Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             Who are you going to believe? - (a6l6e6x)
                         Not originally your own, perhaps. - (CRConrad) - (73)
                             I'll grant you that the skank term comes from Box. - (a6l6e6x) - (72)
                                 The "speaking ebonics" meme was debunked long ago - (Silverlock) - (2)
                                     Here's a sample. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                         Now that you've confirmed she was quoting a hymn - (Silverlock)
                                 Look, she's just another ambitious pol - (rcareaga) - (68)
                                     lemme explain to the unwashed - (boxley) - (32)
                                         Why? - (crazy) - (31)
                                             shrub with brains, that doesnt scare you? -NT - (boxley) - (30)
                                                 Shrub she is not - (Seamus) - (4)
                                                     tolerant? ya gotta be kidding - (boxley) - (3)
                                                         I said she is not a religious intolerant - (Seamus) - (2)
                                                             what a huge blind spot she creates in some folks - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                 I am not giving her a pass, just not comparing her to Shrub - (Seamus)
                                                 Sbrub with brains... - (jb4) - (1)
                                                     vicous trogdelyte that thinks? I agree -NT - (boxley)
                                                 Bullsh*t - (crazy) - (22)
                                                     Geffen's quote - (bepatient) - (21)
                                                         In many way's that just means she's a politician - (Seamus)
                                                         You are confusing tacticts with goals - (crazy) - (9)
                                                             What is it with you all. - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                                 You didn't but the thread had devolved into a Bush vs - (Seamus) - (7)
                                                                     If they were running against each other - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                         And that means you're a fricking wingnut. -NT - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                                                             How so exactly? - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                 By NOT voting AGAINST the abomination. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                                                                     Sorry, ain't buying what you're selling - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                         Easy. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                             Your "logic" is prejudiced - (bepatient)
                                                         Compare and contrast w/ current "Administration"... -NT - (jb4) - (9)
                                                             So your argument is "they do it too so it must be ok?" - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                                 No my argument is: Put yer shock and awe in yer pocket - (jb4) - (1)
                                                                     Seen what, exactly? - (bepatient)
                                                                 "You're"? Sigh... -NT - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                                                     huh? -NT - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                         Google may be Your Friend... - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                                                             Yabut.. Shirley - - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                                 Yeah, I know - I was trying to indicate my being... - (CRConrad)
                                                                             Yabut...ppl only read headlines! -NT - (bepatient)
                                     Agreed. It bothers me when Dems use Repubs talking points. - (Another Scott) - (28)
                                         It shouldn't matter who says what. - (a6l6e6x) - (27)
                                             No it shouldn't matter - (Seamus) - (25)
                                                 not at all, here is the definition - (boxley) - (24)
                                                     By that definition almost all of the politicians are skanks - (Seamus) - (18)
                                                         I like this quote - (boxley) - (17)
                                                             Alot of the animosity comes from Clintons being as sucessful - (Seamus) - (16)
                                                                 what lttle non entities did they crush? -NT - (boxley) - (15)
                                                                     Delay and Blankenship Gringrich and his ex-wives - (Seamus) - (5)
                                                                         blankenship is not a little people and an exwife - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                             I am not championing her by any means - (Seamus) - (3)
                                                                                 And that makes YOU, too, a right-wing-nut. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                                                                     I said it tongue in cheek and I should have indicated that - (Seamus)
                                                                                     You're out of your head. - (bepatient)
                                                                     You ARE kidding, right? - (jb4) - (8)
                                                                         name one individual little person that delay hosed over - (boxley) - (7)
                                                                             The way you are going on about the waitress issue - (Seamus)
                                                                             Hi. Let me intorduce myself. - (jb4) - (5)
                                                                                 quit waggin yer weinie, not the same at all -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                     No not the same at all - (Seamus) - (3)
                                                                                         it would matter if more than 1/2 VOTED till then - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                             We go to war with the electorate we have - (Seamus) - (1)
                                                                                                 Nicely said! -NT - (jb4)
                                                     So, y'all show us where you've called Shrub a skank as often -NT - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                         skank is a female word although skanky is indegenderate - (boxley) - (3)
                                                             Actually not equal, AFAICS / IMO. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                                                 Nowhere near, IMO - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                     depends on whether you are one dunnit? - (boxley)
                                             It's hard to tell what's true, sometimes. - (Another Scott)
                                     You can believe what you like. - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                                         I think that one of the biggest strikes against her... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                             What Obama reminds me of. - (mmoffitt)
                                         So, did you call HIM such NASTY things? No? Q.E. frickin' D! -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                             That may be. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                                 The only candidate to ever get my dough was Jerry Brown. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)

Well, yes and no.
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