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New Not actually ridiculous.
High speed communications and transportation combined with eased trade restrictions is producing an economy without borders. The Internet and containerized cargo, both sea and air have changed the world dramatically.

Eventually this will equalize prosperity around the world, but for the time being transportation is so fast and cheap and communication so easy it makes sense to get stuff done where the cost is lowest.

The big zinger in here is, of course, pollution. One of the major differences in costs is pollution controls. Once those get more equalized, and it will, you'll see less long distance transportation of goods.
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New I guess, I should restate the "Ridiculous".
Ridiculous in the fact that that the Major OJ Brands, that taste worse than the marathong OJ, are still costing this much.

It stays here, things are done the same way put in less costly "plastic" or waxed cardboard and *STILL* cost more.

Yes, but let me ask you this: Why are we not putting the "pollution" restrictions on the cost on things coming in from over _there_?

It would be the great equalizer. If they put the pollution controls on, the restrictions get reduced.

Same things for other product imports. When *your* product has the same "OSHA" and "CARB" requirements our similar products do... then you will get the roll-down of the penalties.

So, I guess this is all just nonsense. Big Oil, ADM, [RI|MP]AA, Microsoft... etc have us all above a burning fire.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
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New There are plenty of weird anomolies.
Worse than your orange juice, how come bottled sparkling water in glass from half way around the world costs no more, often less, than local sparkling water in plastic?

Do American springs work at union scale or something? Realistically, with fizzy water you're really selling packaging and transportation not water. So how come I'm buying Gerolsteiner for $0.89/liter in glass bottles all they way from Krautland where the wages are high, with an unfavorable exchange rate and transportation half way around the world - and local water in plastic bottles costs as much?

Of course I'm buying that from a small chain, not the big supers. With their "economies of scale" they're selling it for nearly a dollar a bottle more.

So how come a bottle of Heinz apple cider vinegar (the real one) costs $3 at the supermarkets and $2 at a one store multi-ethnic grocery? It's been that way for years. Just about everything is way cheaper in the single stores and small chains.

I think that with today's communication and transportation systems "economies of scale" are strongly negative in many areas of commerce. All "economies of scale" gets you is a huge amount of expensive infrastructure, overhead and an inefficient distribution systems.
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New Union wages and inefficiencies for one, in most big supers
plus maybe an old "Sears" mentality (sales all the time, the non-sale products don't move as much) versus a "Walmart" mentality (low prices all the time, keep the product moving) for the smaller grocery stores.

BTW, Walmart's food prices in general aren't that great. And I can get 12 liters (24x0.5) of Crystal Geyser locally bottled water for $4 or less, which is about $0.33/liter. Maybe carbonated water is more, but I don't buy it; Germans do seem to love it, based on my experience.

Around here, who has the lowest prices seems to depend on the item. For example, I find Asian markets best for seafood, Indian markets best for olive oil (cheaper than Costco), etc.

--Tony

New Might be like the auto industry in the 1980s

So how come I'm buying Gerolsteiner for $0.89/liter in glass bottles all they way from Krautland where the wages are high, with an unfavorable exchange rate and transportation half way around the world - and local water in plastic bottles costs as much?


Remember the "self-imposed" quotas of Japanese cars back then? Since they were limited on how many cars they could send to USA annually, they loaded up everything with as many options as possible to maximize profit, and sent mostly their top of the line models. Detroit had demanded the quotas so that they "could compete fairly".

So what happened? When Detroit saw the sticker prices of the cars coming from Japan, they jacked up THEIR prices to be "just a hair below" what the Japanese prices were to maximize their profits.

I'd bet that your local water bottle firms are doing the same.
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     Cold snap ruins fruit harvest - (admin) - (17)
         At least they didn't blame violence in the Middle East - (lincoln)
         Note also "wheat, corn and alfalfa". - (Andrew Grygus) - (15)
             Shortages coming-but a chance to fill up your freezer first? - (CRConrad) - (14)
                 So far, we haven't been seeing that. - (Andrew Grygus) - (13)
                     We're getting our red bell peppers from Guatamala... :-/ - (Another Scott) - (9)
                         It is the same economy that can... - (folkert) - (5)
                             Not actually ridiculous. - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                                 I guess, I should restate the "Ridiculous". - (folkert) - (3)
                                     There are plenty of weird anomolies. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                         Union wages and inefficiencies for one, in most big supers - (tonytib)
                                         Might be like the auto industry in the 1980s - (lincoln)
                         We see plenty from South and Central America . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                         the fresh food belt in florida is getting paved - (boxley) - (1)
                             Ah. Makes sense. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
                     well if you are willing to do your own butchering - (boxley) - (2)
                         Horse requires special recipes though. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                             not really, although only having one stomache - (boxley)

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