Gonzales aid to take to 5th

Post #279,736 by boxley 3/27/07 10:43:05 AM Reply	Gonzales aid to take to 5th [link\|http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070326/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fired_prosecutors;_ylt=ArmAsVl28tF8PxSVjMXHLWyyFz4D\|http://news.yahoo.co...8PxSVjMXHLWyyFz4D] Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' liaison with the White House will refuse to answer questions at upcoming Senate hearings about the firings of eight U.S. attorneys, citing her Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, her lawyer said Monday. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #279,745 by JayMehaffey 3/27/07 11:43:08 AM Reply	Very strange rational [link\|http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/27/fired.attorneys/\|CNN] "The public record is clear that certain members of the Senate Judiciary Committee have already reached conclusions about the matter under investigation and the veracity of the testimony provided by the Justice Department to date," said Goodling's lawyer John Dowd in the letter to committee chairman, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont. Goodling seems to be offering a very strange rational for taking the 5th. She seems to be saying that the committee has already decided that somebody is guilty and is on a witch hunt looking for somebody to nail and she won't provide them with testimony that might be used against her later. I don't know if legally that is a valid application of the 5th, but it seems very dubious. If that where legally accepted the 5th would be used a lot more. Jay
Post #279,753 by boxley 3/27/07 12:26:08 PM Reply	she can either take the 5th, remail silent and in contempt go for limited immunity or full. one can take the 5th in almost any classification of case "What is your name" "I will use the 5th ammendment of the constitution and not reply" stupid but legal. One cannot be compelled to testify. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #279,759 by Another Scott 3/27/07 12:36:21 PM Reply	If they give her immunity, she has no choice. Sometimes immunity is used as a cudgel to get people to talk when they don't want to under any circumstances. IOW, if they give her immunity, she has to testify. (I think we're saying the same thing, it's just that I think your phrasing was ambiguous. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #279,757 by Another Scott 3/27/07 12:34:00 PM Reply	Comments on TPM about it. [link\|http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013272.php\|Here] and [link\|http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013277.php\|here]. My guess is the 2nd comment is close to the mark: Monica Goodling does have a good faith basis for pleading the Fifth Amendment - just not the ones in her lawyer's letter that are getting all the attention. Under the federal False Statements statute, 18 USC 1001, it is a felony to cause another person to make a false statement to Congress. Since McNulty has allegedly told Senator Schumer that he made a false statement to Congress based on information provided to him by Monica Goodling, Goodling could very well be prosecuted for a Section 1001 violation. All the rest of the crap in her lawyer's letter is intended to sooth as much as possible WH anger at her for invoking the Fifth. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #279,802 by bepatient 3/27/07 5:19:52 PM Reply	Perfect application look at how they got Scooter. Ask him on a dozen occassions >his< version. Compare the dozen for changes in wording...and convict for perjury cause your story changed. This one says...I'm not giving you anything to compare because its obvious your looking for a fall guy...and it isnt going to be me. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #279,807 by Seamus 3/27/07 5:27:20 PM Reply	Far from Perfect Scooter tried to say that Russert is the one who told him about Valeria Plame and he got nailed. The others were better liars. Seamus
Post #279,817 by crazy 3/27/07 6:48:17 PM Reply	Not quite The others cut a deal and came clean. Libby was too dumb.
Post #279,818 by crazy 3/27/07 6:51:56 PM Reply	Close She KNOWS she's about to be hung out to dry by her boss. He already told Schumer it was her fault. So no matter what, she's screwed. She's probably not high enough in the chain to warrant being a GW buddy, which means no pardon for her on his way out the door. So she has to cut a deal. And the only way she can be sure of total immunity is to clam up right now, and hope there is not enough circumstantial evidence to take her out anyway. And they want to work up the chain, so if she's the link, she's golden.
Post #279,831 by Simon_Jester 3/27/07 9:15:26 PM Reply	Furthermore, Congress will want her testimony.... it's likely she was told to say "X"....which means even more people can get convicted. :-)
Post #280,015 by Silverlock 3/29/07 7:59:42 PM Reply	You're right. Seeing as how taking the fifth is all about not being forced to testify against yourself in a crime. And she is accused of committing a crime... er wait. You appear to be saying she is using this as a way to keep from being forced to perjure herself. I thought telling the truth was the only protection you needed for that. How silly of me. Interestingly enough, she does appear to have a valid case for pleading the fifth. It's just not anything remotely related to your "reasoning". I sincerely doubt any MSM outlet will cover this so I'll just say, causing someone to give false evidence. That's a crime. See McNulty's testimony. ----------------------------------------- Draft Clark [link\|http://draftwesleyclark.com/\|now].
Post #280,030 by bepatient 3/29/07 9:05:04 PM Reply	Keep telling yourself that. And hope that you are never forced into a situation where you are questioned dozens of times about various aspects, then have that compared to your entire retained email library and any other snippets of official correspondence you have ever recorded. Taking the 5th is the exact path to take, regardless of whether you feel you have committed a crime or not. Best not to do anything to make yourself look like a witch when you find yourself in the middle of a witch hunt. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #280,039 by boxley 3/29/07 10:01:56 PM Reply	first thing any one law wise learns dont say shit, smile dumbly and ask for a lawyer. Any words, any explaination you end up with a conspiracy charge. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #280,064 by CRConrad 3/30/07 5:59:01 AM Reply	Next, this will be expanded to cover... ...that poor innocent fall guy Scooter Libby himself, too -- I can see it already: "Not being able to remember exactly the same way, many many times in a row, how it all happened was his ONLY crime, as I explained on ZiWT back in early '07..." Sheesh, BeeP, you're becoming too predictable for this to be any fun anymore! And the rest of you, just don't for a second think I won't say "Told ya so!" when he gets around to pulling that one. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #280,077 by bepatient 3/30/07 8:40:42 AM Reply	Look at the accusation and look at the conviction. Has nothing to do with guilty or innocent. All the big cases of the last several years have all ended with convictions... ...for perjury. She's got a smart lawyer. Can't perjure yourself if you don't talk. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #280,067 by Silverlock 3/30/07 6:18:33 AM Reply	While you're at it, define "is" for me. ----------------------------------------- Draft Clark [link\|http://draftwesleyclark.com/\|now].
Post #280,078 by bepatient 3/30/07 8:41:24 AM Reply	who are you anyway? Bill, izzat u? Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #280,114 by lincoln 3/30/07 2:07:51 PM Reply	And don't forget "know" too If the search worked, I'd link to my post where Karl Rove asked for a definition of the word "know" while under oath. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:golf_lover44@yahoo.com\|contact me]

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