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New And how many people care?
New That'll depend
on whether Vista does anything about being virtualised.

If it detects virtualisation that it doesn't like, will it shut down?

I dunno.


Peter
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New Can it even tell?
It'd be the Windows-on-DR-DOS thing all over again.

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New Yes, I believe it can.
There are ways to detect whether you've been virtualised or not.


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New It will be interesting to find out
In theory a OS running in a virtual hardware system should not be able to tell, that is the whole idea of virtualizing the hardware. To let every OS think it has total control of the hardware.

In practice, there are probably clues that a system could use to try and judge if it is running in a virtual system or not. The configuration of memory, results of sending commands to motherboard components and other low level hardware interaction is liable to contain signs of modification by the virtualization system. PC hardware is not designed for virtualization and there are some parts that don't handle it well.

Jay
New Here's how it will work (or, more accurately, NOT work):
1) Micros~1 will hear "through the grapevine" of some system successfully virtualizing Vista. (The "grapevine" being some bigmouth blogger who just cant resist shooting of its mouth, or a hit on a bot that trolls eBay looking for someone selling virtualization solutions).

2) Micros~1 will then buy a copy for $pittance of said virtualization software.

3) When they determine that said virtualization software does indeed work, they will then figure out its fingerprint in much the same way that anti-virus makers detect a virus's fingerprint.

4) Micros~1 will then deliver countermeasures through their automatic-update-that-you-cannot-shut-off-without-violating-the-eula-remember-all-your-hardware-are-belong-to-us
"facility". Suddenly, said virtualization fails to work. (and probabaly downloads your MAC address to Microsoft through their phone-home-that-you-cannot-shut-off-without-violating-the-eula-remember-all-your-hardware-are-belong-to-us "facility".) (If they were smart [don't we all wish], they'd delay their de-virtualization patch activation until some time later than the download that actually bombs the virtualizer, so that one couldn't easily associate which download contained the bomb....
jb4
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George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
New And then we are off to the races
Because as soon as Microsoft blocks their software, they will update their software to change it's signature and make Vista run again.

The question becomes one of their ability to keep ahead of Microsoft, and how willing Microsoft is to risk breaking systems to play with low level hardware and BIOS calls. Those things are a very black magic and the whole point of large parts of Vista* is to avoid them. I don't know enough about virtualization on PC to make a guess who is going to win that race.

Jay

*And Linux, and every OS since Windows 3.1 for that matter.
New My guess of the winner will be:
(K)Ubuntu, with Open Office.
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
     Flaws Are Detected in Microsoft\ufffds Vista - (bluke) - (25)
         OH RLY? - (pwhysall) - (24)
             Love the "Executive Executive Summary" - (drewk)
             Couldn't resist puting something up . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (12)
                 Edits and notes, in order that they appear: - (pwhysall) - (6)
                     Good suggestions, and I've made adjustments. - (Andrew Grygus)
                     ObCRC: "Wiping the arse of you and **me**" -NT - (jb4) - (4)
                         Yes, what an illiterate colonialist baboon -NT - (drewk) - (3)
                             Well, Peter claims to be from . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                 What's a "tibe"? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     "tribe" with a speech impediment. -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                 One disagreement - (drewk) - (2)
                     You're forgetting Japan . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                         All they can do is say "no" - (drewk)
                 Actually the DoJ has been quite active in anti-trust - (tonytib) - (1)
                     Yeah, but I couldn't resist a swipe . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             How does virtualization impact "premium" content protection? - (tonytib) - (9)
                 Guess what's in the EULA. -NT - (pwhysall) - (8)
                     And how many people care? -NT - (tonytib) - (7)
                         That'll depend - (pwhysall) - (6)
                             Can it even tell? - (static) - (5)
                                 Yes, I believe it can. - (pwhysall)
                                 It will be interesting to find out - (JayMehaffey) - (3)
                                     Here's how it will work (or, more accurately, NOT work): - (jb4) - (2)
                                         And then we are off to the races - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                             My guess of the winner will be: - (jb4)

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