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Post #274,115
by crazy
11/27/06 6:40:21 PM
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New PICK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
WTF is wrong with you!
PICK!?
Post #274,119
by boxley
11/27/06 7:58:22 PM
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New dont knock it until you have tried it, recently
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Post #274,126
by crazy
11/27/06 9:06:38 PM
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New I've spent the last 20 years systematically killing it
I've had multiple contracts to reverse engineer and either recode or pull the data and dictionaries out and transfer to a vertical app on another box.

Feel free to point me to a "modern" Pick that deserves to live. OpenInsight? Only if it is too expensive to port to something else.

Pick sucks. Real pick, pick on dos, pick on windows, pick on Unix, pick sucks!

Dick Pick made his living selling shit to people who did not know any better, slapping shit together with no theoretical foundation. The only reason it has survived this long is vertical apps are locked into it and it is too painful to get it out.
Post #274,145
by boxley
11/27/06 10:58:55 PM
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New again, see what the needs are and then ask what the solution
runs on. PICK is a screamingly fast hash on flat files. Since I would have little desire to build my own I would buy (and cheaper for the client than my hourly to create) a hash. Just because people get locked into vertical solutions doesnt mean the underlying technology is unsound. Yes old stuff is hard to maintain and cheaper to move from the environment, that isnt the question on the table.
thanx,
bill
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Post #274,147
by crazy
11/27/06 11:06:48 PM
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New One trick pony
"Screamingly fast" hash access on one hand, horribly programming / operational environment on the other. Moder databases (free ones) can be just as fast as well - I have no faith in ANY Pick implementation. The goal is to lock you in so they milk you forever.
Post #274,171
by boxley
11/28/06 6:59:22 AM
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New If that is the trick you need use it
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     Steve Yegge (who he? - ed) on Perl - (pwhysall) - (62) - Nov. 25, 2006, 07:28:41 PM EST
         IRLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Nov. 25, 2006, 07:54:59 PM EST
         He worked for Amazon for many years - (tuberculosis) - (60) - Nov. 25, 2006, 08:42:36 PM EST
             Well based on that ... - (folkert) - (59) - Nov. 25, 2006, 09:50:54 PM EST
                 Key factors are - (tuberculosis) - (58) - Nov. 25, 2006, 10:08:42 PM EST
                     do it all the time - (boxley) - Nov. 25, 2006, 10:54:26 PM EST
                     I have never had an under spec'd system. - (folkert) - (56) - Nov. 26, 2006, 01:56:19 PM EST
                         More to the point is will it fit on one machine? - (tuberculosis) - (55) - Nov. 26, 2006, 04:44:19 PM EST
                             I guess I think to simply. - (folkert) - (22) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:09:35 PM EST
                                 You would filewalk for every query? - (crazy) - (18) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:22:25 PM EST
                                     RAMFS? -NT - (folkert) - (17) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:34:52 PM EST
                                         Doesn't matter - (crazy) - (5) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:49:53 PM EST
                                             That would be a radix-search, I think. - (static) - (3) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:59:13 PM EST
                                                 Nah, you want a hash - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:18:48 PM EST
                                                     I thought a radix search was also O(1). - (static) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:51:29 PM EST
                                                         Gah - my bad - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 27, 2006, 12:27:44 AM EST
                                             Also, I just thought about your file size - (crazy) - Nov. 26, 2006, 06:06:09 PM EST
                                         On a 32 bit machine? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (10) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:52:50 PM EST
                                             Ever heard of PAE? - (folkert) - (9) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:56:33 PM EST
                                                 I'd call that exotic technology -NT - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:11:49 PM EST
                                                     No, it is bone stock on everything since the P3 from Intel - (folkert) - (7) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:18:48 PM EST
                                                         And AMD? PowerPC? ARM? - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:30:16 PM EST
                                                             You said COMMON 32-bit - (folkert) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:35:31 PM EST
                                                                 That kind of weasel won't get you a job - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:35:03 PM EST
                                                                     This line of questioning wouldn't get you a candidate for - (folkert) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:36:54 PM EST
                                                                         Whoa - (crazy) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:43:30 PM EST
                                                                             No he got downright rude. -NT - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:47:43 PM EST
                                                                                 I'm not trying to be rude - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 27, 2006, 03:48:04 PM EST
                                 Where did you get 1G? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:50:05 PM EST
                                     Not all 9 digit numbers are valid. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:08:48 PM EST
                                         I assumed so - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:15:44 PM EST
                             something you forgot, what lawyer to hire - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:40:12 PM EST
                                 Nah - (crazy) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:51:36 PM EST
                             We talked about this one before - (admin) - (6) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:14:49 PM EST
                                 We did - he didn't - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:06:33 PM EST
                                     Just saying... - (admin) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:14:33 PM EST
                                         But we hardly talk about programming at all anymore - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:18:18 PM EST
                                             :-) - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:42:56 PM EST
                                                 I agree on the eyeballs. - (static) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:59:12 PM EST
                                                 I put most of my programming rants on my blog - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 27, 2006, 12:26:11 AM EST
                             non programmer answer, append a 0,1 or2 - (boxley) - (15) - Nov. 27, 2006, 05:45:45 PM EST
                                 PICK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? - (crazy) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2006, 06:40:21 PM EST
                                     dont knock it until you have tried it, recently -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Nov. 27, 2006, 07:58:22 PM EST
                                         I've spent the last 20 years systematically killing it - (crazy) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:06:38 PM EST
                                             again, see what the needs are and then ask what the solution - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:58:55 PM EST
                                                 One trick pony - (crazy) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:06:48 PM EST
                                                     If that is the trick you need use it -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 28, 2006, 06:59:22 AM EST
                                 The key is to stay off the disk - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Nov. 27, 2006, 06:44:04 PM EST
                                     CramFS in RAM. -NT - (folkert) - (6) - Nov. 27, 2006, 07:27:32 PM EST
                                         That's not a solution either - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2006, 08:14:50 PM EST
                                             Okay, at this point... - (folkert) - (4) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:45:49 PM EST
                                                 Sure - just want to give you a taste - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:58:48 PM EST
                                                     personally I hate programming, I like debugging - (boxley) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:05:54 PM EST
                                                     Cheaper at Bookpool, btw. - (admin) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:15:28 PM EST
                                                     ICLRPD - (drewk) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:39:45 PM EST
                                     Math isnt my strong suit but - (boxley) - Nov. 27, 2006, 08:25:07 PM EST
                             I hope you're going to outline the solution. :-) - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:33:15 PM EST
                                 Admin did it very nicely. - (crazy) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:49:53 PM EST
                                     D'Oh! Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:58:57 PM EST
                                 Cool sort paper - (crazy) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:55:50 PM EST
                             Taking a stab - (ChrisR) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:07:24 PM EST
                                 Still doesn't beat O(1) :-) -NT - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:13:27 PM EST
                                     Ok, I read the answer you gave... - (ChrisR) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:19:51 PM EST

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