But that is not a bad thing, it is a good thing!

Post #27,353 by nking 2/5/02 9:45:48 AM Reply	But that is not a bad thing, it is a good thing! If GNOME is based on .NET, then maybe the PHBs will consider using it as an alternative. Mono will get the C# programmers porting their code to Linux, and GNOME will make sure that their code will work in a GUI. This in itself is not a bad thing. It is using the .NET Hype to get more support for Linux and other platforms that use GNOME. Imagine if MONO and GNOME got ported to OS/2? "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #27,375 by ben_tilly 2/5/02 11:18:42 AM Reply	sigh Doesn't matter how good it could be if Microsoft would just play really nice, not use their patent portfolio, and assist in their own destruction. But Microsoft is not in the business of doing that. And it is stupid to bet any significant amount of effort on their changing a winning strategy now. Unless you have a good answer to Microsoft's stated strategy of using patents as a weapon against open source, and unless you have a good answer to Microsoft's stated goal of the "instant API upgrade", betting on chasing the .NET taillight successfully is like a dog following a pickup with a passenger who is practicing his aim with the rifle. Cheers, Ben
Post #27,382 by Andrew Grygus 2/5/02 11:42:32 AM Reply	It is a very bad thing It allows yet another propeganda point for Microsoft in their plans to seize control of the Internet and make it a private Microsoft.NET preserve. "Look, even the Linux community enthusiastically supports .NET, and you know how much they hate us. If there were a credible alternative they certainly wouldn't be supporting us!" Java and Liberty Alliance are the credable alternative. Currently they are way ahead, to the point Rational Software, traditionally serving mostly the Microsoft development community, has just announced equal treatment for Java. Right now, .NET is totally vapor, and even PHBs are committed to it only in theory. Microsoft is always late to a market, but is quite adept at overcoming its lateness with money and marketing. It was very late to the Internet, but in just a few years so dominates it many major Web sites are off limits to anyone not using Windows and a Microsoft Web browser. Microsoft has every intention of driving all competing products from the Web services market. They have every intention of making it impossible to access much of anything on the Internet without going through Passport.NET. They fully intend to accomplish what they stated many years ago, to charge a "vig" on every electronic transaction made anywhere. The more people support .NET, the closer they are to this goal. Miguel de Icaza, who failed to become a Microsoft employee only because of a fine print clause on his H1-B visa, has maintained a single minded admiration for Microsoft, and by his high profile in the Linux community, is materially aiding Microsoft in achieving its goals. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #27,399 by tonytib 2/5/02 12:57:37 PM Reply	My opinion of Miguel is continuing downwards especially when I heard he views COM as a good basis for light weight components. So far in my Python COM explorations, COM seems like a typical MS hack job. Wanting to work for MS is also pretty revealing. Tony
Post #27,427 by pwhysall 2/5/02 5:48:25 PM Reply	Take heart From the fact that the GNOME development community does NOT share Miguel's views. Scary though the thought is, GNOME ain't gonna be based on .NET just because Migeul Says So. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #27,452 by static 2/5/02 9:02:55 PM Reply	That is heartening. Even though I do not use GNOME (or KDE), I respect the strides GTK-basedness has made. Miguel is coming close to the point where people will say "remove Miguel's code from GNOME, please: we don't trust him anymore". Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #27,455 by Another Scott 2/5/02 9:11:31 PM Reply	Miguel may just need to stir the pot occasionally. I enjoyed [link\|http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-05-011-20-NW-CY-GN-0020\|Randy Savage's] commment on the issue at LinuxToday. I'm looking forward to Gnome 4.0, when Mono is nowhere in sight, and even Bonobo still isn't in wide use, and Miguel is giving breathless interviews about the anti-gravity and time-travel support that will be in the new architecture with the cutesy, monkey-themed name that will be ready for Gnome 7. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #27,477 by wharris2 2/6/02 3:06:00 AM Reply	Is that stirring the pot, or whacking the nest? The hornet's nest, that is? "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth
Post #27,390 by Another Scott 2/5/02 11:58:37 AM Reply	GNOME on OS/2. [link\|http://pluto.spaceports.com/~os2/n_gnome_about.html\|Here]. Cheers, Scott.

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