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New Re: I didn't know we were responsible for everyone. (again)
We are responsible for our liberty and security. We are not responsible for anyone else's.

We *are* responsible to maintain our agreements with other nations (unless broken or until dissolved, such as the ABM treaty.)

At least that's how it works, theoretically.

Yep, there's the bullshit. Why is it that Japan cannot ensure that it has access to the oil it needs? Why do we have to do that?

There's that treaty thing. By treaty, Japan is an ally and, due to justifiable paranoia on our part, has not been allowed to create or maintain a large army or navy. (You do remember what got us into World War 2, right? Japan attacking Pearl Harbor and immediately thereafter seizing every oil and other mineral resource they could grab in the far east?)

In general I agree with the thought that we should generally disentangle ourselves from other nations as much as possible. If the Saudis want to make their women wear veils, chop hands off thieves, behead people for other offenses, that's their business.... unless they make the mistake of *making* it our business, as the Taliban did by supporting a terrorist group that killed thousands of our people.

Unfortunately, there you get into the question. We *do* currently need oil from the Middle East. Theoretical pipe dreams about living without it aside, it would take years to muster the resources - which yes, we should do, but that's not the here and now.
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."
-- Donald Knuth
New Which leads to my other point.
Well, first off, I'm not aware of any treaty with Japan that says we have to make sure they have affordable oil. If they're attacked, we will help them. But I don't see a yen/barrel inclusion anywhere.

"We *do* currently need oil from the Middle East. Theoretical pipe dreams about living without it aside, it would take years to muster the resources - which yes, we should do, but that's not the here and now."

Nope. It's not. And it NEVER will be UNTIL we start doing it.

Like I said before. For the next 20 years, cut 1/20'th of the influx from them. After 20 years, we will be at zero. Focus on developing alternatives.

We can KEEP saying that it won't work TODAY.

But until we START, the day when we're off their oil will NEVER come. (well, until the oil is gone and we have no alternatives readied)
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         A very good read. Thanks for the link. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Straw Man Anyone? - (andread) - (35)
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                 I'll be the example. - (Brandioch) - (33)
                     "So Noam is an idiot" - I think that was his point. :-) - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         re "near term" - (Ashton)
                         Simple, we don't. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                             Hey Khas, there IS an (ultra-easy-to-use!) Quote select box! -NT - (CRConrad)
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                     Oh, my. - (Ric Locke) - (27)
                         OK.. the species isn't ready for sweet Reasonableness - (Ashton)
                         I didn't know we were responsible for everyone. - (Brandioch) - (25)
                             Oh, dear. - (Ric Locke) - (24)
                                 I didn't know we were responsible for everyone. (again) - (Brandioch) - (23)
                                     Re: I didn't know we were responsible for everyone. (again) - (wharris2) - (1)
                                         Which leads to my other point. - (Brandioch)
                                     Brandi, USE the freaking QUOTE BUTTON! That's what it's FOR! -NT - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                         Hey, cut him some slack. I've never noticed it either. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                             Use "Split Block" to save on cut-and-pasting. :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                                 Eh? I don't understand the usage I guess. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                     How "Split Block" helps cut down on cut/paste: - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                                         Thanks. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                             You're welcome! -NT - (CRConrad)
                                                             Reassuring that I'm not the only one who - (Ashton)
                                     We aren't responsible for everyone. - (Ric Locke) - (12)
                                         I wasn't aware of that. - (Brandioch) - (11)
                                             Do you have some kind of religious objection... - (CRConrad) - (10)
                                                 Did I miss something? - (Brandioch) - (6)
                                                     Yes, you did. I refer to ALL your posts EXCEPT the one above -NT - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                                         Christian, I've disagreed with you once or twice - (Ric Locke) - (4)
                                                             Oh, yes.. - (Ric Locke)
                                                             Since the weathervane has struck a vein and - (Ashton)
                                                             Feel free to not address my points. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                 The treaty at the end of ww2 - (boxley)
                                                 Minor disagreement. - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                     Sorry, but you're just plain wrong. - (CRConrad) - (1)
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                 Touchy, touchy. -NT - (marlowe) - (17)
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                         Less than a day, actually. - (marlowe) - (15)
                             It was a *quote*, nitwit! (Recognize it, by any chance?) - (CRConrad) - (14)
                                 Ohhh, you're lots of fun! - (marlowe) - (13)
                                     Why worry now? - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                         What an intolerant thing to say. - (marlowe)
                                     A simple "I don't have any answer" would have sufficed for U - (CRConrad)
                                     Boooooooooooooooooooooring - (pwhysall) - (9)
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                                             Ehh... Dunno. What's a skeg? :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                                 Sorry. Your English is so good - (Ric Locke) - (6)
                                                     It's news to me! - (Meerkat) - (2)
                                                         I think the West Coast U.S. usage - (Ric Locke) - (1)
                                                             Cool! Easy to tell I've never surfed :) -NT - (Meerkat)
                                                     Ah, that's what I thought it might be. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                                         skeg: skank at a kegger -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                             ROFL -NT - (Silverlock)

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