Post #272,206
11/4/06 5:21:59 PM
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Monday, papers for all 4 services will say Rumsfeld must go
No one will ever confuse the [link|http://www.armytimes.com/|Army], [link|http://www.navytimes.com/|Navy], [link|http://www.marinetimes.com/|Marine] and [link|http://www.airforcetimes.com/|Air Force] Times publications for [link|http://www.thenation.com/|the Nation] or [link|http://www.salon.com|Salon.com]. They are not known as redoubts of liberal journalism.
Instead, they are newspapers that provide tremendous amounts of useful information to service members and their families.
Which makes their call for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld more arresting.
[link|http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/index.jsp|Editor & Publisher], a newspaper trade journal, [link|http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003352525|reports the publications] will, in editorials Monday, demand that Rumsfeld resign.
[link|http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/11/rumsfeld_must_g.html|Source of the above post, and a complete copy of the editorial's text, can be found here] lincoln
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Post #272,209
11/4/06 5:46:09 PM
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Yeah, and so what?
It's a binary solution set: The decider tells the US to bugger off and he stays the course, or he puts in yet another "loyal" but clueless crony. Either way, nothing changes. If this had been done years ago, it might have made a difference. The chimp can pick fleas for another 2 years makeing up his mind about who to put in.
Color me unimpressed.
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Post #272,215
11/4/06 9:04:21 PM
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I guess it would take a revolt to impress you! :)
The military is trained not to think too much, but to do or die. When these people begin to go public with their thoughts it gives cover to those that are not in the military to crank up the volume. As deaf as the decider appears to be, he does have to consider his "legacy". The fact that "staying the course" is no longer being parroted shows that occasionally a thought penetrates.
I hope the election on Tuesday will teach him some humility.
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #272,218
11/5/06 12:11:43 AM
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I suppose. And the revolt won't happen.
They are too well trained and disciplined. Having their civilian paper print a criticism is a bold step for the military mind, but it won't change the chimp's mind. If the elections go really bad, the chimp could declare martial law, and I would bet dollars to doughnuts that these same military personnel would follow orders and put down the citizenry.
As usual, I would LOVE to be wrong. I kinda doubt it though...
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Post #272,248
11/5/06 4:36:57 PM
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A revolt would certainly impress me.
It would mean that the collective lobotomy wasn't completely successful, and that would be impressive!
jb4
"When the final history is written in Iraq, [link|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif|it'll look just like a comma.]"
— George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
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Post #272,260
11/5/06 4:59:25 PM
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On the other hand, we don't want to be a Banana Republic! :)
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #272,264
11/5/06 5:05:45 PM
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Ummm . . . you mean we aren't yet?
Not being the B.R.A. (Banana Republic of America) seems more wishful thinking than reality these days.
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Post #272,270
11/5/06 5:22:45 PM
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Bush was first installed by the Supreme Court not the
DoD Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #272,323
11/5/06 10:41:15 PM
8/21/07 6:30:54 AM
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Yes we have no bananas!
We have no bananas today!
Thankyouverymuch
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Post #272,328
11/5/06 11:05:42 PM
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Harry...
that ending sucks!
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Post #272,267
11/5/06 5:10:38 PM
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Why not?
We're already infested with Banana Republicans. Truth in advertising, you know....
jb4
"When the final history is written in Iraq, [link|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif|it'll look just like a comma.]"
— George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
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Post #272,272
11/5/06 5:23:32 PM
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:)
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #272,216
11/4/06 9:06:32 PM
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He won't do it now
Even if Bush was inclined to accept anybody elses opinion on this, he can't fire Rumsfeld now or he will look like Bush Sr. and "No new taxes." He has gone too far in saying Rumsfeld will stay to the end to back out now.
What I find more interesting is the near open revolt by the military. I have never seen anything close to this level of rejection by the US military. Even Clinton, who had a somewhat uncertain relation with the military, got more support. And the Bush administration was very popular with the military when they first came into power.
The active generals, staff and soldiers have been very careful careful in what they have said (and rightly so) but the unhappiness seems near universal. There are many countries where the military would have overthrown the government or the government would have sacked half the senior staff before now. Strong commitment to the principle of civilian control of the military but keeping civilians out of the operations of the military is one of the US's strengths.
I suspect that it is the bungling of this principle that is one of the things turning the military against the administration. From using mercenaries to meddling in military operations for political reasons, this administration has violated that principle deeply in many ways.
Jay
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Post #272,329
11/5/06 11:13:23 PM
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I see the nuke issue superseding this-all, over the next 750
days - each. one-at-a-time. Congressional election results notwithstanding, Dare the US continue to leave the Bagman with this cabal for the next ~750 whole days ??
Stalin came >thisclose< to losing Round One of Operation Barbarossa so near-decisively as to likely lose All (saved only by - The Weather, in the end. A German patrol within 20 km of Moscow, just before Ice reversed the trend.) This for his having purged his military staff of the insufficiently adoring, who happened also to be the most experienced.
Similarly, had JFK gone with Kissinger Curtiss Le May and forthwith bombed/ started-to-bomb the launchers in 'Cuber': we did not know then, that the warheads were already in place and many of those launchers were operational. And would have launched. Followed stimulus/response by SAC. Had Khruschev been an ignoramus like Shrub; had JFK been as insouciant/suggestible as Shrub (as US propaganda always went re Khrushchev) but he wasn't: so no WW-TheLast. >thatclose< again.
Shrub has been 'purging brains' on all levels - wherever one is seen to erupt. Is that a connection?
Perhaps (back when there was a Republic here) we invested Too-much Life/Death ultimate autonomy in the Executive Powers, the FFs never having anticipated how easily can that department become hopped-up on Hubris/Power-drugs.
Now, of course - with an error-free pathologically stubborn Ox, next still free to stew solipsistically over *his* unLovedness: for almost 750 days, well - -
I have no Idea if there are any Burt Lancasters capable of launching 'betting pools on the Preakness' and acting? OR, as you suggest: equally capable of mowing down mobs-with-pitchforks.
Techno has given the means for near-instant Earthwide annihilation to a handful of sometimes-quite-Abnormal bipeds. We haven't worked out ultimate nuke-containment in the 61 years/3 mos since Alamogordo. We'd better hope for a Burt Lancaster \ufffd l\ufffd Seven Days in May ... if there is no next serendipitous accident? that does that omitted hard work for lazy-US, and everyone else alive.
No candle lit for this one.
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Post #272,456
11/6/06 9:40:37 PM
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White House Calls Editorials Urging Rumsfeld Exit 'Shabby'
[link|http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003352558|http://www.editorand...ent_id=1003352558]
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"Q Has the President seen or been told about the editorials?
MR. SNOW: He's been told about the editorial.
Q His reaction?
MR. SNOW: His reaction was just to sort of shrug it off. I mean, he understands what editorial writers sometimes do, and in this case, they're grandstanding."
Did you really expect something different?
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