Post #271,524
10/29/06 12:51:39 AM
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Dja know?
That the naked power-grab is still going on?
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Post #271,525
10/29/06 1:31:19 AM
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Sounds like
a direct response to criticism of Katrina.
You can thank Nagin and that bimbo LA governor for this one.
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Post #271,531
10/29/06 8:30:04 AM
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No, I don't think so.
So, Nagin - a mayor largely disregarded by the Fed until disaster struck, a disaster that was ill-handled by Municipal, State, AND Federal authorities - FORCED Congress to grant the President the power to suspend the Constitution at any time, for any reason, as he sees fit, without oversight? In the same bill granting him the right to have people tortured? (the same tortures we howled about North Vietnam doing, as a reminder)
No - though that will certainly be used as the excuse, and as a talking point by the right-wing dominated media.
Sure. Blame everybody but the people actually doing the job of gutting the Constitution and removing any protections people have from the Government.
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #271,532
10/29/06 9:24:57 AM
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All I know....
is that Hillary will have a field day with this one when she's President.
(But until she is....Repubs won't have an issue with their ox having this power)
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Post #271,552
10/29/06 8:19:50 PM
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It sounds from the reading like a response to that.
And likely to be the excuse.
Hopefully we won't have to deal with this but for a couple more months.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #271,558
10/29/06 9:25:00 PM
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We have years to go.
Bush doesn't need approval from anybody to suspend the Constitution. There is no time limit, there is no limit in scope. Mid-term elections don't affect this.
"the remnants of the old Republic are being swept away"
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #271,584
10/30/06 10:45:56 AM
8/21/07 6:10:41 AM
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To me it sounds like
preparation for dealing with the people taking to the streets in places like Ohio when they learn they've been maneuvered out of their votes by bogus purges.
IOW, it is to squash the coming rebellion that will likely arise in response to election rigging.
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Post #271,585
10/30/06 11:10:58 AM
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The "rebellion" _will_ be televised
24-7 w/ just the right... proper... right wing spin to wash it away and then folks can go merrily along their way.
I would it weren't so, but I have little faith in much any more other than the apathy of the electorate.
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exactly what my philosophy is now, but I'm flexible."
-- Malcolm X
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Post #271,956
11/2/06 11:18:19 PM
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You can be such a jackass sometimes BeeP
Lemme get this straight: the President, consistent with both previously exhibited form and substance (you do remember his "dictator" statement, don't you), under his favorite shroud of secrecy, signs a bill that effectively repeals the Posse Comitatus act, and this is Nagin's fault?!?
Why don't you just sit down with a warm steaming bowl of Shut the Fuck Up, until that balky clutch the engages your brain unfreezes for a bit.
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Post #271,959
11/2/06 11:24:07 PM
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reach into your colon and grab ahold of yer brain for a mo
beeps' point is without nagin/katrina he couldnt have got it done.
thanx,
bill
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Post #272,265
11/5/06 5:06:16 PM
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Funny...
...in all of nagin's rantings, I don't remember him ever clamoring for the repeal of Posse Comitatus. Dy you? Links would be welcome.
jb4
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Post #272,283
11/5/06 6:26:50 PM
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he was howling for federal troops at one point
cant get that without repealing pussy communists
thanx,
bill
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Post #272,286
11/5/06 6:31:53 PM
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OK...
Seesm to me, though, that the "howls" were for troops to provide logistical support to evacuate the hell-hole that the Superdome had become, and to get food, water, clothing and medical supplies into downtown. I don't recall that he was calling for them to take over law enforcement, nor was he calling for a declaration of martial law in the area.
In fact, through my swiss-cheesey brain, I seem to recall that it was he that raised the posse comitatus argument, that troops couldn't take over law enforcement activity in "his" city.
jb4
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Post #272,288
11/5/06 6:33:25 PM
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he did, doesnt mean that a year later that the cheezwhizz
that the general electorate uses for brains would remember that. Gotta keep amerika safe doncha no.
thanx,
bill
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Post #272,292
11/5/06 7:11:49 PM
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Wrong.
You may want to look at the news coverage again.
Nagin was asking about the response and bitching about it a day before governor even signed the order for 40k guard to come in to "restore order and stem lawlessness". This was based on issues regarding the FEMA evacs being suspended in some areas because the choppers were being shot at.
You seem hell bent on re-fighting this battle based on a post that simply states the change in the law will be blamed on Katrina and the criticism of the federal government's response.
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Post #272,312
11/5/06 9:19:44 PM
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Helicopters being fired on? Pretty sure that was rumor only.
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Post #272,321
11/5/06 10:26:16 PM
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Re: Helicopters being fired on? Pretty sure that was rumor o
[link|http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2005/09/01/story218818.asp|http://archives.tcm....1/story218818.asp]
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Post #272,384
11/6/06 11:29:06 AM
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Like I said.
Your link is to a "breaking news" story. A story reporting rumors. Try this one; [link|http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/12802783.htm|Link]
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Post #272,394
11/6/06 12:47:50 PM
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And Like I said.
your story even has reports of rescue teams being fired on...just reporting that the helo fire was a rumor.
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Post #272,412
11/6/06 1:34:43 PM
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So you're wrong but you're right.
Ok, whatever.
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Post #272,418
11/6/06 3:01:04 PM
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Some rescue ops were indeed suspended
your article says so. Your "you're wrong" is directed at a specific case that I mentioned but ignores the larger issue.
So, for your sake, I accept your correctness about the specific instance of helicopters. I was incorrect.
It doesn't change the fact that there was bitching going on about troops being needed to restore order before the process that allowed them there had been carried out...and that those complaints persisted well after the event itself as one of the primary aspects of the "slow federal government response".
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Post #271,960
11/2/06 11:27:18 PM
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what was the loudest complaint?
Where's the federal gov't response? Where are the troops to help restore order?
AND I TOLD YOU THEN that there were RULES that needed to be followed and that the rules on local, then state THEN federal were good rules.
But no, the complaints stayed. It was all Bush's fault. The feds should have just ignored all those rules and landed.
This gives the all to convenient excuse for this administration to make this change. Its that excuse I'm telling you that you will hear when this ruling is challenged.
You can tell me to STFU all you like. I'll only do that after I tell you that I told you so.
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Post #271,974
11/2/06 11:56:57 PM
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We've done this one already
Everybody screwed up. The Fed's screwup was mind bogglingly larger than anyone elses. What was your point again?
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Post #271,976
11/3/06 12:01:04 AM
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Read back a couple of posts already.
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Post #272,266
11/5/06 5:09:52 PM
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Ref:
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=272265|this post]
Oh, and I'm sure that Nagin also cried for La Guardia to patrol "provide back-up logisitical support" on the border w/ Mexico, too...didn't he. Again, links would be welcome.
jb4
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