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New Anyone want to answer this?
Why does this topic ALWAYS get bogged down in semantics?

Is there something in the psychological makeup of certain people who don't understand the differerence between In-the-womb and not-In-the-womb?

Or is it that certain people would rather focus on the fact that the English language has, over time, adapted multiple meanings to words?

To prevent further right shift on this subject, I'll clarify for those individuals possessed of very little brain.

Yes, you can 'abort' just about anyone or anything.

Yes, you can 'kill' a 'fetus'.

Yes, a 'fetus' is a 'child'.

Fuck semantics.

We're discussing the legality of certain procedures performed while the fetus is still inside the womb.

If you cannot manage to get that through your head, you're an idiot.

If you want to argue what 'abort' means all day, fine. Then you are an idiot who cannot understand what "context" is and it is pointless trying to enlighten you on this subject.
New you are discussing the legality
some of the others were discussing morality
me dux,
bill
My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
New Either way.
Morality or legality.

There is still a world of difference between a procedure to abort a fetus and "aborting" an adult.

Which was my point.
New eh, scraping with knives works both ways?
abortion, (I am describing what was described to me by a non participant viewer.)
take what looks to be an awl (flat striking end on one side point on other.) insert and smack, then scrape with various scrapers. Would work on adults, icepick harry comes to mind and Jeff Dalmer was good about breaking up the parts.
thanx,
bill
My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
New *sigh*
Yes, if you remove enough of the details, your view is correct.

Oh, I notice that a woman is present in the pre-birth version whereas performing the same procedure on a woman would have no effect post-birth.

New point==taken
My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
     Fetus reclassified as \ufffdunborn child\ufffd - (Brandioch) - (44)
         interesting you have to be a US citizen to be eligble - (boxley) - (1)
             Not all the time - (nking)
         Rowe vs. Wade - (nking) - (4)
             Drinking alcohol during pregnancy? - (Brandioch) - (1)
                 Some women do it anyway - (nking)
             I believe 'retrospective abortion' is the term :) - (Meerkat)
             It is ROE versus Wade - (ben_tilly)
         Birth of 'The United Sanctified States' imminent? - (Ashton)
         Wheat and corn reclassifed as "pre-digested crap" - (Silverlock) - (7)
             Baby==crap? Assholes? My, my. Such black thoughts. - (marlowe) - (6)
                 That acerbic wit just slays me. - (Silverlock) - (5)
                     A simple "you win again" would have sufficed. -NT - (marlowe) - (4)
                         Well then, why didn't you say so before? Thanks! -NT - (Silverlock) - (3)
                             You ruminated for two days, and came up with this? -NT - (marlowe) - (2)
                                 Nah, couple seconds. I stay away from here on weekends. -NT - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                     Okay, fair enough. But couldn't you have tried harder? - (marlowe)
         As opposed to a born child? - (marlowe) - (27)
             Yes. I was. - (Brandioch) - (26)
                 OK, so why can't we abort you? - (tonytib) - (25)
                     *Masturbation Murderers*___or:___ Logic is such sterile fun. - (Ashton)
                     Is he an independently viable life form? - (marlowe) - (9)
                         Wow... - (bepatient) - (7)
                             Should Andrea Yates get the death penalty? I don't think so. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                 But according to the prior definition... - (bepatient) - (5)
                                     Sheesh BeeP. - (Ashton)
                                     You're confused, again. - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                         no, i'm not - (bepatient) - (2)
                                             Hmmm, my monitor must be broken, then. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                 yep i think your the confused one. - (bepatient)
                         thanks...you got my point -NT - (tonytib)
                     lingwage ez eeeeeezeeeeee. - (Brandioch) - (13)
                         Yeah, it's so easy.....you can't even get it right! - (tonytib) - (5)
                             Sure, just re-classify me. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                 But you're NOT viable on your own -NT - (tonytib) - (3)
                                     WTF are you gibbering about, Tone??? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                         LRPD: "Smoke the pipe, and there will be no lies between us" -NT - (Ashton)
                                     Is this going to be another "definition"? - (Brandioch)
                         If I abort you - (boxley)
                         Anyone want to answer this? - (Brandioch) - (5)
                             you are discussing the legality - (boxley) - (4)
                                 Either way. - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                     eh, scraping with knives works both ways? - (boxley) - (2)
                                         *sigh* - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                             point==taken -NT - (boxley)

She says, "Hey, I really got to leave!" Dang!
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