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Post #27,045
by static
2/2/02 11:52:32 PM
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New My thoughts.
One naive view might be that Miguel might be trying to create a .NET that Microsoft will lose control over. After reading this thread, I'm not sure.

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #27,066
by Andrew Grygus
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2/3/02 5:01:12 AM
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New Lose control?
Microsoft's specialty is seizing control of everything from everyone. With .NET they start out owning the plan, the specs, the code, the language, the key services, and the physical servers they run on. Somebody thinks they're going to lose control?

I realize that everyone who's ever written two equal signs end to end thinks he's smarter than Microsoft, but surely, even a programmer couldn't be that naive?
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Post #27,071
by ben_tilly
2/3/02 9:22:47 AM
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New Your list missed an important item
The subject of a large part of this thread in fact.

Microsoft has repeatedly admitted that they plan to patent the hell out of .NET. They haven't said why, but it seems pretty obvious that one goal is to maintain control of .NET, and another is to keep anyone from developing any service that competes with them on some key points.

Cheers,
Ben
Post #27,144
by static
2/4/02 4:35:24 AM
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New Yeah - I changed my mind.
I'm still a little mystified as to just what sort of API .NET is - no, don't bother explaining, I'm not that mystified! :-) - though I do realize Microsoft want to own the servers, services and everyone's data. I never saw the value in Mono; way back when it was announced, I first thought: "Miguel, you fool. You've now given Microsoft justification for their latest take-over-the-world scheme".

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
     GNOME to be based on .NET? - (pwhysall) - (27) - Feb. 2, 2002, 04:35:43 AM EST
         He does have the power to hose GNOME - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Feb. 2, 2002, 10:27:55 AM EST
             Agreed - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Feb. 2, 2002, 12:58:33 PM EST
                 You forget one thing - (pwhysall) - (14) - Feb. 2, 2002, 01:31:56 PM EST
                     Incomplete ECMA - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 2, 2002, 02:13:50 PM EST
                         Don't get me wrong - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2002, 02:44:33 PM EST
                             But they need hold only one . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 2, 2002, 03:08:49 PM EST
                     Don't be so confident - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Feb. 2, 2002, 09:25:33 PM EST
                         Well, here's a guy on Linux Today . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Feb. 2, 2002, 10:08:42 PM EST
                             Sounds reasonable to me - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Feb. 2, 2002, 10:18:16 PM EST
                                 What if he simply sees technical merit? - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Feb. 4, 2002, 06:18:05 PM EST
                                     The "techie trap" is always . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 4, 2002, 06:57:10 PM EST
                                     I don't care - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2002, 08:48:28 PM EST
                                         and I'll still rather skeptical of its technical merits -NT - (tonytib) - Feb. 5, 2002, 01:11:34 AM EST
                         My thoughts. - (static) - (3) - Feb. 2, 2002, 11:52:32 PM EST
                             Lose control? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 3, 2002, 05:01:12 AM EST
                                 Your list missed an important item - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 3, 2002, 09:22:47 AM EST
                                 Yeah - I changed my mind. - (static) - Feb. 4, 2002, 04:35:24 AM EST
         Explain yourself Miguel, demands RMS - (bluke) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:26:15 AM EST
         But that is not a bad thing, it is a good thing! - (nking) - (8) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:45:48 AM EST
             *sigh* - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:18:42 AM EST
             It is a very bad thing - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:42:32 AM EST
                 My opinion of Miguel is continuing downwards - (tonytib) - Feb. 5, 2002, 12:57:37 PM EST
                 Take heart - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 5, 2002, 05:48:25 PM EST
                     That is heartening. - (static) - (2) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:02:55 PM EST
                         Miguel may just need to stir the pot occasionally. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 5, 2002, 09:11:31 PM EST
                             Is that stirring the pot, or whacking the nest? - (wharris2) - Feb. 6, 2002, 03:06:00 AM EST
             GNOME on OS/2. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 5, 2002, 11:58:37 AM EST

But clearly, it's unreasonable to use a sledge hammer to drive upholstery tacks.
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