Post #270,010
10/10/06 4:48:01 PM
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Aw, did ver nasty nasty scientist touch a nerve?
I take it you are pick'n'mix Christian?
careful with those mixed fibres now!
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Post #270,015
10/10/06 5:50:41 PM
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Re: Aw, did ver nasty nasty scientist touch a nerve?
am not now nor have I ever been a Christian
A
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Post #270,016
10/10/06 5:55:47 PM
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So what's your point?
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Post #270,073
10/11/06 12:09:39 PM
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Re: So what's your point?
I looked at the excerpts
He believes that the Bible was written by a varied collection of human
beings and not by God
therefore it is not the word of God
so then if he is trying to be remotely logical he can't
use the Bible to debunk the 'God delusion' as he has already demonstrated
that it is not relevant
of course he does use the Bible for that purpose
so he is really doing nothing more than an ad hominem attack on
those who think differently from him
A
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Post #270,079
10/11/06 2:24:09 PM
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Re: So what's your point?
That's a load of toss, Andy.
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Post #270,083
10/11/06 5:31:34 PM
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Re: So what's your point?
I see why you like him
neither one of you can frame a decent argument
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Post #270,084
10/11/06 5:49:11 PM
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Re: So what's your point?
Your point is a load of half-coherent bollocks. The person not framing a decent argument is you.
Peter
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Post #270,100
10/12/06 10:02:33 AM
10/12/06 10:03:11 AM
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Oh, really?
if, as your guy asserts, the Bible was written by a variety of human beings at different places and times then it seems fair to say that it is not the revealed word of God
this being so, what relevance does it have to the so-called God delusion
if you want to say, the God of the Old Testament turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt and that's no act of a supreme being
then all you are saying is that you don't believe in that construction
it says nothing about the existence of God
if you want to get up and proclaim that you can prove a negative
and that Godel was wrong then do so
A
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Oct. 12, 2006, 10:03:11 AM EDT
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Post #270,107
10/12/06 11:57:27 AM
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You misunderstand, I think
While Dawkins happens to be an avowed atheist, he is here addressing the "delusion" rather than the "God" part, pointing out that the various holy texts are largely loads of codswallop, and that whatever value they may have had for human culture times past is increasingly outweighed by their destructive influences today.
I don't read it as an attempt to refute "God" by calling into question the authenticity of the source docs, although it is certainly reasonable to knock them down as proof of the deity's existence whenever (as has been known to happen now and again) they are trotted out as "evidence."
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Post #270,146
10/12/06 4:16:17 PM
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{sigh}
Brevity Award - with karmalized epaulets
And.. may Your Posters prove, retroactively, to have contributed a bit to any coming/improbable small spike of Sanity, next? in the jelloware of The Fatherland's teeming truth-masseuses, way out there.
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Post #270,221
10/13/06 10:33:20 AM
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Re: You misunderstand, I think
I took your post seriously and went back to the BBC site
quote:
In The God Delusion, the scientist Richard Dawkins sets out to attack God "in all his forms".
quote:
Of course, irritated theologians will protest that we don't take the book of Genesis literally any more. But that is my whole point! We pick and choose which bits of scripture to believe, which bits to write off as symbols or allegories.
The present day athiest argument leaves no room for liberals or moderates (see the writings of Sam Harris for another example)
Either you support 'science' or you're sunk in 'ignorance'
This strikes me as an arrogant attitude and probably 100% science-free
A
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Post #270,223
10/13/06 10:37:27 AM
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Salon interview
Dawkins' latest book turns to his more recent passions. In "The God Delusion," Dawkins fulminates against religious moderates as well as fundamentalists. He argues that the existence of God is itself a scientific conjecture, one that doesn't hold up to the evidence. And he dismisses the entire discipline of theology: "I have yet to see any good reason to suppose that theology (as opposed to biblical history, literature, etc.) is a subject at all." [link|http://salon.com/books/int/2006/10/13/dawkins/|Link] -----------------------------------------
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Post #270,231
10/13/06 1:00:32 PM
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Fundamentalists of all stripes brook no argument
take no prisoners, and if yer aint fer 'em yer agin' 'em.
The anti-god fundies, for example, would prefer to brand anyone who claims a spiritual experience as mentally defective, or corrupt - while the pro-god fundies brand anyone that argues against THEM as morally defective, or corrupt.
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- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #270,291
10/14/06 2:12:44 AM
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Re: Fundamentalists of all stripes brook no argument
Indeed, the militant a-Theist pretends to Gnosticism; becomes equally, the bastard son of Certainty.
As to the 'spiritual' -- undemonstrable as any such an experience would be, beyond the experiencer's jelloware: I note that most non-fulminating assessments of corporate theology (ie. of all organized groups with fav manuals, hierarchy, garb and rituals) - tend to point out that there are many churchly habits that militate against ever experiencing the spiritual - in favor of the adsorption of the Authoritative.
Allegiance to the org. substitutes for experience of the [__].
Only homo-sap could contrive a Living Oxymoron!
No wonder.. it is so rare when anything potentially useful ever gets said, in the usual clashes within the World of Opposites '..as ignorant armies clash by night.'
(At least the ~'agnostic' never pretends to Certainty: a concept which may be prominent on the epitaph of the radioactive ruins, if a dying stonemason has the energy to chisel anything much, after RIP.)
Fortunately, too: it's all in our minds and has nothing much to do with Reality, as in {whew!} :-)
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Post #270,262
10/13/06 3:50:36 PM
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Re: You misunderstand, I think
What is liberal or moderate about believing in the existence of an omnipotent being which transcends all known laws of physics?
Arrogant, my arse. It's the only sane viewpoint to take.
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Post #270,271
10/13/06 8:08:53 PM
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is there life on other planets?
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Post #270,298
10/14/06 8:22:20 AM
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Of course.
As evidence, see Marlowe.
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Post #270,332
10/14/06 9:31:24 PM
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Re: You misunderstand, I think
Well doesn't physics transcend the laws of physics or was Godel wrong
A
PS the Dawkins interview at Salon exposes him thouroughly through his own words
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Post #270,337
10/14/06 9:47:32 PM
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from string theory to the flying spaghetti monster
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