Post #269,623
10/6/06 11:48:22 AM
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The word for that is:
disingenuous.
The very first sentence of your post is a swipe at Bill.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #269,643
10/6/06 2:40:30 PM
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Ah. A simple misunderstanding
Our good admin (praise be to him from whose servers these contentions are dealt) sees "The very first sentence of [rc's] post [as] a swipe at Bill." Since it was a simple sentence with none of the spaghetti of parentheticals, subordinate clauses and discursive asides—not unlike this one, by Jove—to which I am, alas, prone when the fit is upon me, which have been known to tax the concentration of them as move their lips when they read, it should be pretty easy to parse: Frankly, this jerk has it coming from the TSA (emphases added): I think we can agree to exclude the concluding "(emphases added)" as a mere technical component, just as the commencing "Frankly" obviously serves here merely as a bit of rhetorical throat-clearing (although, my dear friends, if we few, we happy few, cannot be frank here in our Socratic give and takes, why then I don't know what this wicked world is coming to). Surely the mere act of introducing the Transportation Security Administration into a topic does not now count as an automatic affront to His Patience, does it? Could it have been the word "jerk?" I do recall this being lobbed around during the recent "Kip Hawley" slanging match, but it was generally in use to describe the presumptuous passenger with the sharpie and the ziplock bag; applied as well, with lesser frequency, to the TSA goon. No reason to associate it with Beep, unless... It must have been the italics. It must be that " this jerk" was taken to mean "as opposed to that other jerk, Bill Patient." Not at all. It meant {a hypothetical member of the class of persons named Robert Johnson} as opposed to the aforementioned presumptuous passenger. The "has it coming from the TSA" element was intended as meta-sarcasm: not that "Bob Johnson" deserves or doesn't deserve the, heh, trifling inconvenience of being pulled out of line whenever he attempts to fly, but that this treatment will be coming from the TSA since we have it on unassailable authority that his name is never coming off the list. Glad I was able to clear this up. And all disingenuousness aside (at my mark... now), the post was not conceived or composed as a "swipe at Bill," and I found his response a little creepy. Honest, I can get liverish about the encroachments and idiocies of the Security State without reference to Beep's opinions, such as they are, on this teeming compost heap of issues. When I wish to raise the issue of his attitudes toward these outrages you may rely on me not to bother with the kind of subtle indirection you apparently descry here. cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #269,649
10/6/06 3:04:17 PM
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Backpeddling.
"this jerk" was quite obvious. You WERE referring to Bill's characterization of the hero/victim/protester/prankster in the other thread. You are normally too clear to have made that kind of error; it quite clearly WAS a swipe at Bill's opinion of the guy.
As for creepy, well - Bill and I may have our differences, we may argue from time to time - but the dis-ingenuity of your claim 'all disingenuousness aside (at my mark...now), the post was not conceived or composed as a "swipe at Bill,"' is almost neocon-like in it's opposition to 'truthiness'.
Sorry, bub - not buying it. Just own up.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #269,667
10/6/06 4:14:07 PM
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The idiom is actually "beckpedaling"
...so there is nothing here to buy or sell. And I am moderately offended at your post, which appears to suggest that in making an explicit statement of what my motives were and were not, I lied. The word "jerk" was thrown around rather liberally in the late TSA pissing contest, and not by Beep alone. In employing it on behalf of the Robert Johnsons of the traveling public I consciously echoed that earlier thread, and unless unbeknownst to me Beep now holds exclusive rights to the word (maybe he does—I understand that the Patent Office has been known to grant some pretty broad and outlandish applications these latter years) it was reasonable for me to do so with the expectation that the issues and not the personalia were being evoked.
I assure you that I have not been so shattered by bepatient's devastating ripostes as to have recourse to misrepresenting my intentions. When I wish to be personally disagreeable you will never find me disavowing that stance, and I rather resent your contrary imputation.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #269,669
10/6/06 4:19:28 PM
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Ayup
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,677
10/6/06 4:39:48 PM
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If so, your post was atypical in the way it was worded.
In that you usually seem to be able to communicate quite well by implication AND by flat out statement. If you are sincere about what I took to be backpedaling, if you indeed aren't backpedaling, but never meant any reference to the previous contentious thread, I stand amazed.
I took it that way, Beep took it that way, Scott took it that way, I assure YOU it certainly appeared that way.
And - since you weren't making reference to the famous 'jerk' opinion, tell me, why the emphasis on 'this' in 'this' jerk? It sure seemed you were using it to differentiate 'Bob Johnson' from the 'jerk' reference in the previous thread (the one that Bill used in so many posts)? If your post had nothing to do with the 'jerk' reference in the last thread, there would be little need to add the emphasis at all. I'm curious. That phrase is what caused this little misunderstanding, after all.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning, As hopeless as it seems in the middle, Or as finished as it seems in the end. |
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Post #269,674
10/6/06 4:33:03 PM
10/6/06 4:43:33 PM
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{chortle} This dissection leaves me of two 'minds'
1) {cue .wav) What we have here is a failure t'communicate..
2) {cue Ashley Brilliant postcard} In the final analysis, everything depends on everything else.
3) {did I underestimate? very well then - I underestimated} It is one thing to impute 'what was intended -???-' to 'any old piece of prose'; quite another to 'KNOW that what you meant was ___'.
But analyzing phrase tecphonics down unto Aleph-null, internal neuronal tics [and with such Certainty - - that which I thought was sole province of the commercial religions?] causes me to wonder:
Shall we next presume that any ref to, the guaranteed-ongoing pabulum from the TSA lego engineering department | use of the word jerk: shall forever [Ref] THIS thread? or perhaps 'those other threads'?
Is the IGM now to be afflicted with a M\ufffdbius tapeloop? TSA is bound to recur as, experience demonstrates: they never Learn. Just flounder for appearance. Psych-safety. (We Love it - that rilly-Safe dream)
(IIRC Most-all those posts were also about) I KNOW that the motives of Passenger X: {were shallow} {were heroic} {were to gain 15 Minutes of Fame} {were to yada cha cha} {were the clear actions of a jerk}
== because "I read. it-all. in the Newspaper".
{yawn}
Yours for the fragility of intramural 'communications' I.F. Stoned
Ed: with all the Certainty aerosol floating about - this post composed amidst chores, in iggerance of above Rand reply. Have witness with photo-ID. Affidavit available: $66 incl. shipping/handling.
".. oh yes - today we have many communications. Damn little communication."
-- Studs Terkel, on a car radio interview - unless the FM was laundered.
Edited by Ashton
Oct. 6, 2006, 04:43:33 PM EDT
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Post #269,675
10/6/06 4:38:40 PM
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p(p)o(p)d
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,651
10/6/06 3:17:53 PM
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Oh, now that you say it >that< way
You're still reaching.
Could it have been italics, quotes, choice of topic, method presented, timing of presentation DOT DOT DOT
Nah. Just my paranoia.
Read "Imric's Tips for Living"
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,670
10/6/06 4:20:01 PM
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"jerk" + TSA
Has an instant connotation of the whole conversation with Bill regarding the "Kip Hawley is an idiot" fiasco.
Pretending otherwise is disingenuousness.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #269,676
10/6/06 4:39:23 PM
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There were several other parties to the "conversation"
This. Is. Not. About. Bill.
Which will be my last five words on the subject.
irritably,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #269,678
10/6/06 4:52:16 PM
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Dutifully snubbed.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,679
10/6/06 4:55:02 PM
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So you say.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #269,680
10/6/06 4:55:11 PM
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I didn't read it as an aspersion directed at Bill.
Of course, we all remembered the earlier thread. But I in no way read the "jerk" being directed at Bill. Rather, I took it as being an editorial comment much in the vein of [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=268410|#268410].
Surely we all recall from some earlier posts directed at He Who Shall Not Be Named ;-) that when Rand has an opinion, he's not afraid to state it directly.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #269,681
10/6/06 5:06:46 PM
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No, the jerk wasn't directed at Bill.
"This jerk", however, in conjunction to another TSA story, is pretty obviously a reference to Bill's portrayal of the Kip Hawley blogger guy as a jerk.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #269,684
10/6/06 5:14:04 PM
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Your vaunted impartiality appears clouded by a whiff of
that noxious Certainty distillate.
And, you're calling Rand a liar - while indulging in that heady vapour.
Sides-choosing times acumin in? Red- Blue- threads in the fabric of the quilt -
Under-threads with PWs?
{sheesh}
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Post #269,685
10/6/06 5:14:26 PM
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I didn't read it that way, either. YMMV. :-)
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Post #269,686
10/6/06 5:15:30 PM
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Hey, one for his side :-)
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,694
10/6/06 5:45:27 PM
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Hmmm - another Uniter-not-a-Divider, eh?
We can speedily arrive at -
Drinking Buddies Solidarity VS read-me-in-my-posts
Yep, that'll Do it.
Carrion.
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Post #269,705
10/6/06 6:42:02 PM
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Nope...just reporting the fair and balanced.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,718
10/6/06 8:08:14 PM
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Maybe there are no 'sides' to 'balance'___Rashomon?
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Post #269,728
10/6/06 11:09:22 PM
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I hear a rousing chorus of "The Circle of Life"
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,738
10/7/06 12:15:20 AM
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That's funny, I hear Que sera sera
----------------------------------------- Worst President ever.
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