Post #269,078
10/1/06 8:36:47 AM
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Perhaps you missed my point, again for the umpteenth
because my point has continually had nothing to do with the TSA rules, nor the overzealousness of those chosen to enforce it, nor the wisdom of those rules, nor the equal application of those rules on "friendlies" that might write "I heart George Bush" instead of "Kip Hawley is an idiot".
In fact, I think I've held that the rules aren't very effective, that the agent in question did over-react, and that in spite of this I feel no obvious sorrow for this man because 1) I have little reason to believe him acting as innocent as his post would like you to believe (and thus possibly even forcing said overzealous TSA man to think him a threat..but this is neither here nor there) and 2) his open invitation to experience EXACTLY what he experienced AND FINALLY both of the former done simply so he could get his 15 minutes of fame...which you apparently are oh, so ready to give him by wasting more bandwidth on this very subject.
Oh, I should add again, that if this is your pointer to the "end of the Repblic", then the Republic has ended long before the current administration, as the ability to speak freely in security lines in an airport has been restricted for many years. Of course, you will likely reply that this last statement is somehow a defense of the current situation/administration instead of a simple statement of fact. However, since I too believe its a free country..and an even freer net connection...you are certainly well within your rights to misinterpret my posts as often as you like.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,093
10/1/06 12:26:59 PM
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In which case I'm scarcely alone
As I read the entries on this issue thus far, I make it nine of us sharing essentially a common take on the episode and on your response to it, one neutral, and two of you on the side of Righteous Beepitude (I'm giving you boxley as an act of Christian charity). This undoubtedly marks you as a lonely, brilliant iconoclast with the courage to stand up to, ah—what did ol' Norm used to call it, the "IWT Hive Mind"—and I suppose the herd should be properly chastened by your example. On the other hand, one may also entertain the possibility that you have consistently misunderstood the posts to which you have responded and/or crafted your replies so poorly that almost everyone else "misses [your] point again for the umpteenth."
Admittedly the notion beggars credulity, but I mean, it could, y'know, be you.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #269,094
10/1/06 12:42:16 PM
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Oh, it very well could be
the vote on the board the initial story ran had it somewhere near 65/35 your side.
And as for terminology, for history's sake I prefer the "calumniating pack of yellow wolves." but it is to much the same effect as Norm's chosen.
I don't doubt the sincerity of any person here, nor their defense of what they perceive to be righteous...I do, however, cast aspersion at their current choice of hero.
And damned I appear to be to the depths of 3 monkees seeing, speaking and hearing no evil with our current "junta du jour".
it is, alas, a fate I remain willing to endure for the cause.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,233
10/2/06 3:57:29 PM
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Stay the course, Beep
You're in good company.
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Post #269,237
10/2/06 4:20:39 PM
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I'm sure
Scott and Bill thank you.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,108
10/1/06 5:57:47 PM
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For the record, I think they're both idiots.
The guy with the bag and the guy who hassled him for it.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #269,125
10/1/06 8:14:32 PM
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my point as well
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #269,128
10/1/06 8:21:56 PM
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How could you?
Clearly the passenger was simply exersizing his rights...he is the innocent victim of jackboot thuggery.
Unbelieveable you are...being so coy with a man's 1st amendment rights.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,136
10/1/06 8:34:13 PM
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you are a racist nazi, sniff make that a pecksniff
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #269,163
10/1/06 10:09:10 PM
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Thanks man! You too!
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,137
10/1/06 8:36:41 PM
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So what's your standard for civil disobedience?
I'll ignore for the moment the fact that he wasn't even breaking any laws. But let's suppose he was. Isn't the point of civil disobedience to provoke a reaction, and get yourself hassled over something that shouldn't be illegal?
So yes, let's suppose he did ask for it. Let's suppose he did want his 15 minutes of fame on the blog or -- dare he hope? -- the local news. That doesn't make hassling him okay. Instead, it proves he was right.
I don't feel sympathy for him, nor would I expect you to, so you don't need to point out again how little you feel. He was trying to make a point about the brain-dead, incremental encroachment on our liberties. Everyone who took offense at what he wrote helped him make his point.
Don't tell me he asked for it. He did. Don't tell me it was his own fault. It was. Try, if you can, to not address his tactics again, and instead address his point. Any criticism you care to make about his tactics, I will concede in advance. Now, what should happen to the screener who pulled him aside, and the supervisor who didn't immediately pass him through? What changes should be made in the rules, or in the training of those who enforce them, to make sure this doesn't happen again?
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Post #269,145
10/1/06 9:02:59 PM
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The security guy should at least be reprimanded.
With a memo (from Kip Hawley, natch) telling everyone that they should only be concerned about actual *dangerous*, *illegal* stuff.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #269,146
10/1/06 9:05:05 PM
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Nit
With a memo (from Kip Hawley, natch) telling everyone that they should only be concerned about actual *dangerous*, *illegal* stuff. Should read With a memo (from Kip Hawley, natch) reminding everyone that they should only be concerned about actual *dangerous*, *illegal* stuff. ===
Kip Hawley is still an idiot.
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Post #269,152
10/1/06 9:22:30 PM
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You SURE?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #269,160
10/1/06 10:07:33 PM
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I said it *should* read that
Meaning I would like to think that's the appropriate word to use there. Maybe not.
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
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Post #269,162
10/1/06 10:08:30 PM
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It wasn't his.
Your mom ever ask you if you would jump after your friends?
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #269,164
10/1/06 10:11:55 PM
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So everyone who followed MLK, they didn't mean it?
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
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Post #269,166
10/1/06 10:13:18 PM
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There you go again
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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