And backing coup attempts isn't?

Post #268,235 by inthane-chan 9/21/06 1:11:18 PM Reply	And backing coup attempts isn't? Thank God for that, since otherwise we'd be at war with Venezuela right now. Odoru aho ni miru aho! Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #268,249 by Ashton 9/21/06 2:53:48 PM Reply	Coup attempts... moi?? Why next.. You'll be suggesting that moi had something to do with the death of Salvador Allende! or say.. spraying Columbia with Agent Orange? to drive up the price of nose candy for all those Boomer-types as can afford whatever. Or Nicaragua or - - {sheesh} tryin ta poison. papa. Fidel?? Absurd! rumours spread by commie pinko homosexuals - - WDYHASM?
Post #268,285 by Arkadiy 9/21/06 8:52:29 PM Reply	Well, Mr. Chavez would be very happy to finance a coup or two here. But so far, the best he can do is to call Bush "Devil" and Condoleeza Rice "a monkey" (if I recall correctly). The difference is in capabilities, not in intentions. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #268,287 by jake123 9/21/06 9:06:43 PM Reply	Oh, I don't know Venezuela is not a poor country. Don't forget, they are one of the world's major exporters of oil. He can afford to do it, esp. in his immediate neighbourhood, but hasn't done it. The US, otoh, has, and not just in Venezuela. How about that? Are you so sure that he would be happy to do that? After all, it's not like most of the continent's population don't agree with him in general... as has been evidenced by recent election results down there. Why would he want to finance coups? You think he has designs on his neighbours? The best guide to that sort of thing is history, and the history of the US in Central and South America has been a sordid one for a very long time. Chavez' history has not been. Unless you count tweaking the nose of someone who has admitted recently to egregious violations of the Geneva Conventions (prisoners held incommunicado for years, for example) as sordid. Some people would not agree with you. You really really don't realise the extent to which the current government has dragged the US' reputation through the mud in the last five years in the eyes of most of the rest of the world, do you? You know, right after 9/11, everybody was with the US... and now almost nobody trusts it; those that don't view the US with distaste view it with fear, and recent actions have not done anything to make people feel better about how the US is behaving. The sad thing is that you can't say they're wrong to do so. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #268,293 by Arkadiy 9/21/06 10:18:57 PM Reply	Re: Oh, I don't know Venezuela is not a poor country. Don't forget, they are one of the world's major exporters of oil. He can afford to do it, esp. in his immediate neighbourhood, but hasn't done it. You mean, it should not be a poor country. As it is, it's #79 in the world in GDP per capita, as of 2002. Behind Khzakhstan and Colombia. Not that it prevents Chavez from throwing money around. The US, otoh, has, and not just in Venezuela. How about that? Chavez also has, in Venezuela. He is a failed [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_coup_attempts_of_1992\|putchist] himself. Are you so sure that he would be happy to do that? After all, it's not like most of the continent's population don't agree with him in general... as has been evidenced by recent election results down there. Why would he want to finance coups? You think he has designs on his neighbours? The best guide to that sort of thing is history, and the history of the US in Central and South America has been a sordid one for a very long time. Chavez' history has not been. I meant, he'd be happy to foment a coup in US. Not that he can. As to his history, I already metioned some. More is to come. The history is happening now, you know. Unless you count tweaking the nose of someone who has admitted recently to egregious violations of the Geneva Conventions (prisoners held incommunicado for years, for example) as sordid. Some people would not agree with you. Tweaking the nose is fine. But not at this level. At this level, things are taken rather literally. If someone comes over to _you_ and tweaks your nose, literally, what is your first impulse? The United States never acts on impulse, thankfully. You really really don't realise the extent to which the current government has dragged the US' reputation through the mud in the last five years in the eyes of most of the rest of the world, do you? You know, right after 9/11, everybody was with the US... and now almost nobody trusts it; those that don't view the US with distaste view it with fear, and recent actions have not done anything to make people feel better about how the US is behaving. Diplomacy? Rules? Civility? Anyone? Does anyone, at all, understand the difference between NYTimes and UN? Can you imagine a speech like that from Chirac? Putin? Do you think they like US any more than Cavez? The sad thing is that you can't say they're wrong to do so. True enough. But irrelevant. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #268,640 by mmoffitt 9/25/06 3:38:30 PM Reply	Now, I know you're kidding. The United States never acts on impulse, thankfully. Been following any of the ~~Gestapo's~~ DHS/TSA's activities of late? bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell

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