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New Perhaps we are missing a point here -
which you just made, but didn't notice (?)

Yes - if what you want is YAN robotic machine which can do a few more things sans human supervision: carrion. (They Will - there's VC $$ for eliminating human workfare, in a spread-sheet-defined 'World'.)

Since it's only the (.001-to-1%) who ever accomplish anything notable/useful, while we don't remotely understand any Aspect of their special qualities - why, there's one massive Ignorance-flag for The Designer. (No revelation that many humans go through the complete birth-death cycle by rote, sans a single original thought, as you suggest.) Machine-like behavior; present in every corporate slogan and forming the grammar of that familiar disingenuous patois we have so come to despise. What a legacy!

So which "AI" is AI going to settle for?



Personally, I think that the best our organizations (and their motivation$) could ever produce.. is apt to be of <class=dumbth scale=refined>. The best of our intellects won't be modelling their self-replication any Eon soon IMO. I'll give odds.. or, when floated: sell short.



oTpy

Expand Edited by Ashton Sept. 6, 2006, 06:00:57 PM EDT
New No, it'll happen
Idiot parents sometimes raise genius kids ... by accident, I guess. Once we've got the A.I. that can produce the most efficient design of its own successor, then all bets are off and SkyNet is real.

We all rate "self awareness" as somehow indicative of intelligence. But pure dumb chance and lots of trial and error came up with the design for us. Electronic "generations" can operate on a much faster scale. Who's to say what that'll produce?


And yes, I noticed that point.
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New See Charles Stross, Accelerando, Economics 2.0
New See also "Dial F for Frankenstein"
Reproduced here in [link|http://www.cybered.co.th/eng/DIAL.html|hideous hypertext.]

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New I was is thinking... (upon re-reading that)
Frankenstein's Monster Sings Christmas Carols while roasting chesnuts on an open fire, accompanied by Roger Whittaker and Vanilla Ice.

Seems about right.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
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New The thing about Frankenstein's monster...
...is that the "monster" was basically good at heart until rejected as an abomination by its own creator and others around it. Even then, it only sought revenge against its own creator.
Hurt me if you must, but let the duckie go!
New Ummm, you definitely missed that point.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
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New Naw, I went away at a tangent.
That was just something that always bothered me whenever people would bring up Frankenstein as the ultimate "OMG Technology EVIL!" book.
Hurt me if you must, but let the duckie go!
New No... I was think about the irony of the ....
AI thingy and the fact that Abby something trying to sing with grunts and groans and screeches (due to the fire) vs. the Ultimate Evil...

Though with Roger Whittaker and Vanilla Ice makes it a trilogy of Evul from teh MOOSic wurld.

Sheesh, you really do have to get those neck-bolts adjusted. And soon.
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Freedom is not FREE.
Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

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New Who is the target audience?
That glossary is insane.
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     Quest for A.I. "futile" - (drewk) - (22)
         Re: Quest for A.I. "futile" - (inthane-chan)
         I just subscribed to "Skeptic Magazine" - (folkert)
         'Hacking' the brain OS and AI - (andread) - (19)
             Until they can expain . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (18)
                 Explanation - (pwhysall) - (16)
                     We can - but it wouldn't run C well - (tuberculosis) - (15)
                         Would love to see the rough sketches, - (Ashton) - (11)
                             Double (or more) standard - (drewk) - (10)
                                 Perhaps we are missing a point here - - (Ashton) - (9)
                                     No, it'll happen - (drewk) - (8)
                                         See Charles Stross, Accelerando, Economics 2.0 -NT - (inthane-chan) - (7)
                                             See also "Dial F for Frankenstein" - (rcareaga) - (6)
                                                 I was is thinking... (upon re-reading that) - (folkert) - (4)
                                                     The thing about Frankenstein's monster... - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                                         Ummm, you definitely missed that point. -NT - (folkert) - (2)
                                                             Naw, I went away at a tangent. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                                 No... I was think about the irony of the .... - (folkert)
                                                 Who is the target audience? - (drewk)
                         I expect in the long term the widespread adoption of C . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                             Was that the LISP guys who did the Yahoo! stores? -NT - (drewk)
                             You are not alone there - (tuberculosis)
                 Specialized processors and distributed computing. - (Another Scott)

As you wish.
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