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New Any use of the word 'real' to bolster a stereotype
is doomed to failure - as is the usual reply: of YAN 'opposite'. This isn't argument - it's contradiction.

Ditto 'power fairy' type excrescenses.. And your adolescent ideas about 'losers and winners' - hell, Billy is perhaps the biggest seeming-Winner to be.. so evidently: a 'real' Looser. You appear still to imagine that there are only Two POVs, and also believe that the usual polit-speak of inane polar opposites actually has 'meaning' (!)

There are many reasons - none of which constitutes causality - for the US ascent to now virtual Imperial hegemony over any #2 or the rest. Our position is bolstered by our single-minded devotion to the mercantile, mechanical model of all things + our jingoistic, very Christian-like Certainty [a lot like the certainty your every comment oozes] -- that there is no need to examine any other peoples' POV: Ours is Best by definition, since we hold the \ufffd on those. We manufacture new nonsense words to justify our every action. We invented! the TLA (and we believe those fake words - that's the scariest part).

For this tissue of self-referential 'morality' to continue, there needs to be ultimate power finally backing it up. We have that - the best nukes, delivery systems and.. a group well-conditioned to destroy the world on orders, if need be: to save Our idea of "democracy" (by Corporate surrogate, of course: here And abroad). Just as in Vietnam - kill the country and it's gooks - as we always dehumanize Every 'enemy' - to save them for Murican 'goodness'. Still the rampant mindset in US and us IMhO.

No, not that any rocketeers long to see this magic stuff *used* (well, every techno type secretly wants to see His system perform) - just that: in the End (and it will Be That]: They Will Launch.. us all into terminal madness.

No one out there can counter devoted, sanctimonious M.A.D. Certainty - backed by apocalyptic weaponry. And we're so insouciant: we feel actually smug about possessing!* this Damocles sword over the continuation of the species. Smug is the word because the Decision is already made: We Will Launch.

* Who possesses Whom..

Don't talk to me about your fanciful idea of any real world or for that matter, about 'reality' of any label. You can't ever get past the cant, it seems.

Erwache! Gehabt, kindern.


Ashton
New Methinks you're suffering from reality envy.
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Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
     Why they hate us: the envy theory - (marlowe) - (43)
         Interesting. - (Brandioch) - (2)
             Why ask why? - (marlowe) - (1)
                 Voodoo economics - (nking)
         Laughing my tail off.... - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
             Bin Laden is winning? - (marlowe) - (2)
                 Marlowe... - (Simon_Jester)
                 Depends on your definition of winning - (nking)
         Wow! a veritable glossary of cant - (Ashton) - (24)
             Minor nitpick...... - (Mike)
             Ash, you're amazing. - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                 Ash has always been a very selective skeptic... - (marlowe)
                 I heard it differently. - (Brandioch)
                 Curses! Foiled Again. Milliards n'Milliards of Stars.. - (Ashton)
             Pardon me, your envy is showing. - (marlowe) - (16)
                 Wrong measures - (gtall) - (15)
                     'Consumption' - a pretty spot-on measure after all. - (Ashton) - (14)
                         Depends on how you calculate waste - (gtall) - (6)
                             Startling statistic - (wharris2)
                             Predator inefficiency - (mhuber) - (1)
                                 Re: Predator inefficiency - (gtall)
                             It's all soluble without magic. - (Ashton)
                             Nit: Most cow methane is due to burping. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 Gotta Love.. the implications and our next plan - - (Ashton)
                         Malthus has been patient with us? - (marlowe) - (6)
                             Gosh marlowe, sometimes your rhetorical questions are just - (Ashton) - (5)
                                 Begging the question. Whence the power? - (marlowe) - (4)
                                     The more rapacious 'won', of course - (Ashton) - (3)
                                         Big problem with that theory. Conflicts with real world. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                             Any use of the word 'real' to bolster a stereotype - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                 Methinks you're suffering from reality envy. -NT - (marlowe)
             A veritable balance of cant. - (marlowe) - (1)
                 Thus speaks one who has never served. - (Brandioch)
         Isn't this your third or fourth "why they hate us"link? - (Silverlock) - (2)
             Yeah, I'm going for a record. - (marlowe) - (1)
                 No hate needed. I just calls 'em as I sees 'em -NT - (Silverlock)
         Envy theory, good answer. - (nking)
         Primitive black magic? - (mhuber) - (6)
             Envy is a symptom of pride. - (marlowe) - (5)
                 For you, maybe. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                     Who fears welfare queens? - (marlowe) - (1)
                         Perhaps you don't listen. - (Brandioch)
                 A bit of theological theory - (mhuber) - (1)
                     Ben Franklin's take - (Ashton)

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