Post #265,897
8/26/06 7:47:52 PM
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Trainspotting (K Harris trainwreck)
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501640.html|Yummy!] ORLANDO, Aug. 25 -- Rep. Katherine Harris (R-Fla.) said this week that God did not intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that the separation of church and state is a "lie we have been told" to keep religious people out of politics.
"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris told interviewers from the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention. She cited abortion and same-sex marriage as examples of that sin.
Harris, a candidate in the Sept. 5 Republican primary for U.S. Senate, said her religious beliefs "animate" everything she does, including her votes in Congress.
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Harris told the journalists "we have to have the faithful in government" because that is God's will. Separating religion and politics is "so wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," she said.
"And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly men and women," then "we're going to have a nation of secular laws. That's not what our Founding Fathers intended, and that certainly isn't what God intended."
Harris campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Marks would not answer questions about the Harris interview. Instead, she released a two-sentence statement.
"Congresswoman Harris encourages Americans from all walks of life and faith to participate in our government," it stated. "She continues to be an unwavering advocate of religious rights and freedoms." The Harris campaign has replaced its senior staff, what, three, four times since spring? I. Love. It. And she's still the frontrunner in the upcoming Florida primary. (RC kneels beside bed and asks God to ensure a high turnout of Florida fruitcakes for the primary) cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #265,898
8/26/06 7:55:06 PM
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wonders whether she'd support pope for prez?
Would be funny if it were actually satire like... [link|http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51849|War-Torn Middle East Seeks Solace In Religion]
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Post #265,899
8/26/06 8:07:21 PM
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It's hard to imagine Nelson losing.
[link|http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/July%202006/floridaSenate.htm|Rasmussen Reports] from July: Harris is viewed favorably by 40% of all voters, 58% of GOP voters. She is viewed unfavorably by 49% of all voters; 34% view her "very" unfavorably, and 53% of Democrats view her "very" unfavorably.
Senator Nelson is viewed favorably by 63% of all voters, including 55% of the GOP and 72% of Democrats. How could anyone beat him with numbers like that? Cheers, Scott.
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Post #265,915
8/26/06 11:45:32 PM
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Answer:____waitforit__________Die. Bold!
..When you care enough to hack your way to Godliness.
..For Just Plain Goodness.
..When Goodness requires a tiny little bit of Help from Badness.
..When the Lord is in Trouble and Needs YOUR Help!
..___________
THAT's how anyone [might] beat him with numbers like that?
These mofos will try it again and again - after all, 2 out of 2 so far -
Music to a VC's ears.
Methinks we need to have a few of Rand's posters printed up; send a few CARE packages around. Noticing how quickly Move-On raises many kilobucks - - hmmmm... What's a little personal deficit spending to evade a F\ufffdhrer?
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Post #265,901
8/26/06 8:22:59 PM
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Umm... Run! Get out of Florida while you can?
Not being American, I'm only assuming Americans regard US separation of church and state as an international example. I am correct in assuming her political prospects are now dead except amongst the religious nutters?
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #265,919
8/27/06 12:20:04 AM
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Re: except amongst the religious nutters?
Well, there are also the sleeping sheeple. They have no idea about what the US Constitution says on the subject.
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #265,934
8/27/06 7:07:53 AM
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What? I thought that was common knowledge.
Indeed, I thought it was a Thanksgiving ritual to be grateful that you live in a country where you're free from religious intolerance. I thought separation of church and state was taught in school.
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #265,937
8/27/06 9:42:04 AM
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Depends on the school. 6 kB img
Thanksgiving is more about celebrating the [link|http://pilgrims.net/plymouth/thanksgiving.htm|Pilgrim's survival their first year], etc., etc. (But it didn't become a national holiday until 1863. There's also supposed to be an element of being grateful for one's own situation, but in the last 30 years (or more) it's devolved into a family get together to eat too much and watch (American) football on TV. And then go shopping for Christmas the next day.
"Religious tolerance" is something that's a nebulous concept for many, I suspect. Many public schools don't usually discuss religion much at all, because history isn't taught much at all. And there's the risk of the school district getting sued if parents don't like what is being taught about religion. Those people who have strong, overt, religious opinions apparently often regard "religious tolerance" as freedom to practice their type of Christianity without interference by the government.
Private schools can teach what they like.
"Separation of Church and State" is taught, but many don't see the implication. E.g. Some seem to think that as long as the state doesn't collect taxes for a state church, any other sort of religious doctrine being written into the laws or regulations is fair game, because, you see, we're a [link|http://christianparty.net/christianation.htm|Christian Nation]. Not that I agree with that, of course.
History instruction in the US is generally pretty weak, and with the [link|http://www.ed.gov/nclb/landing.jhtml?src=pb|No Child Left Behind] requirements for emphasis on Reading and Math, it's unlikely to get better soon.
[link|http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/ushistory/results/natachieve-g12.asp|NEAP].
National U.S. history achievement-level results, grade 12 (public and nonpublic schools combined): 1994 and 2001
[image|http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/images/ushistory/results/fig2_3c.gif|0|12th Grade History Proficiency - All Students|248|320]
HTH a bit.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #265,950
8/27/06 11:51:37 AM
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no, they were taught that the pilgrims had to escape
a tyranical religion to practice the one true faith and remake the new world in their image, that was my day. Nowadays they teach that the pilgrims left the old world for mumble reasons and celebrated with the indians by playing football.
thanx,
bill
thanx,
bill
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Post #266,432
8/31/06 11:28:09 AM
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I thought separation...was taught in school
Matthew,
Therein lies the rub. It is. The problem is that very few people pay attention. To wit, you are probably one of them. [link|http://www.lawandliberty.org/chur_sta.htm|http://www.lawandlib....org/chur_sta.htm] . To be fair, you are not "American" and didn't have to suffer through American History, but the "separation of church and state" doesn't exist in our Constitution until the US Supreme Court "interpreted" it in in the 1940's. In essence, the "wall of separation" was a construct of Jefferson to keep the Congress and Executive branches of our government from establishing a "state" religion. Until the Fourteenth Amendment, individual states could establish their own religions... This intent was more on the limits of federal power than on the government's stance on religion.
What gets lost in these discussions is that the First Ammendment (the ammendments were the only way the states would buy into forming a federal government - by limiting its power), guarantees the "free exercise thereof". The idea that having the Ten Commandments removed from a public building by citing the "separation clause" most probably has Jefferson spinning like a rotisserie chicken in his grave. This country, a former loyal colony of the British Empire, was sickened by feudal Europe and the Anglican church and wanted somoething different when they broke off from mother England. They still did want Jesus and assumed that Judeo-Christian values (the basis for our government and laws - once removed from Aquinas and Locke) were not only influencing political decisions but were a priori to any legislation...
Now whether or not this is a "good" practice or not is irrelevant in regards to modern governance, but history is history. To accuse people of being uneducated because they do not understand the (simplistically wrong) "common knowledge" that you allude to is a bit naive (at best). As far as "religious intolerance" is concerned, noone is free from that beast.
Just a few thoughts,
Danno
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Post #265,929
8/27/06 2:59:56 AM
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Kill the crusaders
its the only we're going to get any peace
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Post #265,949
8/27/06 11:49:05 AM
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the only woman in florida uglier than janet reno
there are strange creatures in the hinterlands of florida that firmly beleive that a theocracry stranger than sharia needs to take over the united states so the world can safely end in their lifetime. They vote regularly.
thanx,
bill
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Post #266,019
8/27/06 8:47:13 PM
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So that's why all those lagoon monster pics are shot there,
eh?
(Doubtless the Okefenokee is just a handy perk..)
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Post #265,990
8/27/06 3:21:30 PM
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Even after recent events like this?
Katherine Harris' attempt to boost her campaign with a series of high-profile endorsements wilted Thursday when none of the officials appeared at her campaign rally and one of them said Harris wrongly included him on her list of supporters.
State Sen. Daniel Webster, R-Winter Garden, said he has not endorsed Harris and instead is supporting one of her challengers, Orlando attorney Will McBride.
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Harris spoke in an airplane hangar that seemed to highlight the modest size of the crowd. She said a last-minute location change -- required because a tree fell on the hangar where the event was supposed to be held -- kept crowd numbers down.
Airport officials, however, said no hangar had been damaged by a tree and that the rally was in the hangar that had been originally booked.
[link|http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-harris1806aug18,0,5885765.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state|source] lincoln
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #265,995
8/27/06 3:42:54 PM
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She probably feels if she prays hard enough . . .
. . God will influence the voting machines to report how people "should have" voted rather than how they did.
"Exit poles are just soooo inaccurate".
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Post #266,020
8/27/06 8:52:36 PM
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Oh wait ...
God spake:
what are the odds of a tree falling al punte on a particular hangar - You.. were gonna use that day?
Hmmm?
('Course she hears only the custom-designed critter stuck in her jelloware. Oh well.)
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Post #266,005
8/27/06 4:02:07 PM
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Mmmm... I love the smell of desperation in the morning...
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #266,027
8/27/06 11:42:18 PM
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Wait...it gets better...
U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris sought Saturday to smother a campaign brushfire stoked by an earlier claim that failure to elect Christians to public office would allow lawmakers to "legislate sin."
Harris, appearing at a gun show in Orlando, said she did not mean to offend non-Christians in her comments to the Florida Baptist Witness last week. She explained that she referred exclusively -- and repeatedly -- to Christians because she was being interviewed by the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention.
"My comments were specifically directed toward a Christian group," said Harris, a Republican Senate candidate from Longboat Key. [link|http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-harris2706aug27,0,6016837.story?coll=orl-home-headlines| Source ] <Quoting>Wait, you don't understand...I'm telling them what they want to hear. I don't actually MEAN it! <Shaking Head> There was another article a couple of months back when Harris claimed that several Democrats had talked privately with here, encourging her to stay in the race and run. <Smile>
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