Crappy reasons

Post #265,191 by broomberg 8/17/06 3:11:36 PM Reply	Crappy reasons 1) most likely get lower COL increases Ya mean it'll take longer to get where you already are? No, umm, ya mean if you accept less to start off with it'll take less time to get where you are? Umm, no, ummm, (I need a time machine and paradox checker to understand this argument). 2) make yourself more expendable in a downsize Ya mean someone should strive to be cheaper and less of a target? I thought you should strive for excellance and value, which in turn makes you cheap at any price. 3)upset alot of co-workers who will eventually find out what they paid you (should their salary be less). The attitude of random possibly semi-competent people should affect how you negotiate? That's insane. Sure, will knowledge that you make a certain percentage more than them come out? Eventually. And before that point, you'll have shown how your skill-set and attitude is worth it, which means they have something to shoot for when their turn comes. Which should not limit what you get at all.
Post #265,194 by folkert 8/17/06 3:47:49 PM Reply	Union Shop, maybe? But I agree with you on this, broom. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #265,198 by jbrabeck 8/17/06 4:27:14 PM Reply	Now I'm totally confused... (normal occurance it seems) Let's put some numbers to the scenerio: 1. I'm working as an independent contractor and am being paid $100/hr. I pay my own medical and taxes. Company wants to hire me as an employee with full benefits. What should I expect to be paid. 2. I'm working as a subcontractor, and am being paid $100/hr. I am paying my own medical and taxes. I find out that the company that hold the contract is pimping me out for $200/hr. Company (one that I'm working at) wants to hire me as a full time employee with full benefits. (Assume that if I know my billing rate that the company would know my paid rate.) What should I expect to be paid? 3. Combination of the two above. Only change is that the company I am subcontracting thru wants be to become a full time employee. Should I be expecting $100/hr + benefits or a lesser amount (how much) + benefits? A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
Post #265,202 by boxley 8/17/06 5:26:38 PM Reply	a contractor isnt an employee its situational, what does an employee in you neck of the woods eith your skills make? An HR person spends a lot of time determining that. A division boss who wants to hire a contractor to do a temporary task does not. Apples and Oranges. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #265,256 by jbrabeck 8/18/06 8:48:20 AM Reply	Lets start from the top again Opening statement was "I'm contracting and expecting an offer to come onboard fulltime. What should I expect as an offer?". Then we seemed to wander all over, so I listed three scenerios. Based on the scenerio, what should someone expect? A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
Post #265,262 by bepatient 8/18/06 9:29:03 AM Reply	No. Should have been clearer If you go in and they are grading you x and your salary is going to be in the 95% range of grade x...you need to negotiate to be made level y more than you need to give back dollars. While you may think my reasoning funny or non-seq I can tell you what I've seen in practice. Higher payed in lower grades get scrutinized differently, all other things being equal they will get less on the annuals. At review time being at 100% of grade and not having been promoted is viewed as a negative. Or...if you are at 90..and you see 95% as a possibility you could also go for >non-financials< like and extra weeks vacation. Peer group is less of an issue unless its a team that you are playing in. Point in first paragragh is that you should try to be placed in the higher group first. Personally, I too could give a rat's patooty what anyone in the org thinks. Thats what makes me so attractive :-) Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #265,358 by broomberg 8/18/06 9:51:42 PM Reply	Agreed now that you put it that way I hit the top of my range a few years ago. They extended the range a couple of time just for me. And then no more.

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