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New gas will be going down, now the pension funds get out
of the market. All you rich 401K assholes, go raid a different wallet please :-) For those of you who insist its the oil companies driving up the costs a huge YEAH, RIGHT your way
[link|http://www.adn.com/money/industries/oil/story/8066478p-7959715c.html|http://www.adn.com/m...78p-7959715c.html]
Goldman Sachs, meanwhile, said it would end its participation in the New York Harbor unleaded gasoline contract, as expected, but wouldn't roll its money into another contract.
Gasoline prices fell 9 percent to a four-month low, as big funds bailed out of the contract.
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asoline futures dropped 18.33 cents to finish at $1.9889 a gallon, the lowest it's settled since finishing at $1.9766 on April 7.
means with average taxes of 70 cents gas should dip to the $2.70 range quickly. Wanna tax excess profits? Go after the commodity markets. Thats where the real money went.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New Throwing the brown flag on that one
That's the bullshit flag, for those who didn't put it together from the bowdlerized subject line.

I'm not saying the commodity markets didn't also rake in some seriuos coin. But BP and Exxon both had record fourth-quarter profits with $19.3-billion and $10.7-billion respectively. Exxon's represented the highest quarterly profit ever for any U.S. company. It's hard not to call that "real money".
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New what was the percentage made? more than 10% ?
Do near public companies such as Investment houses report profits? What did the Carlyle group make in the same period?
thanks,
bill
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New Refiners are doing their share to keep prices up

While U.S. oil companies blame the global oil market for high gasoline prices, a close analysis of pricing suggests it's not so simple: The run-up at the pump also comes from domestic refining, which is largely controlled by Big Oil.

In consultation with economists, the Associated Press examined pricing trends since 1999. It found evidence that:

\ufffdThe portion of gasoline prices tied to refining has ballooned all on its own, apart from oil.
\ufffdThe suspicion of frustrated drivers is correct: After upward spikes, the price of gasoline drops back more slowly than the price of oil \ufffd and someone pockets the difference.
The petroleum industry knows that many drivers are steamed about both its record prices and profits.


A big chunk of gasoline prices \ufffd almost a fifth \ufffd pays refiners who make gasoline from oil, and refineries have been raising their prices, too.

Charges of refineries can be detected in what's known as their "margin" \ufffd the difference between what they pay for crude oil and what they collect for the gas they refine. Service station costs and taxes add to the final retail price of gasoline.

In a competitive market, when raw material gets more expensive, margins typically shrink, economists say. Not so in the oil business these days. Refiners have somehow managed to fatten their margins through years of rising oil costs.

Since 1999, their average margin has jumped by 85 percent, reaching 43 cents for June, according to AP's analysis of data from the New York Mercantile Exchange. That margin increased by just 20 percent in the seven preceding years.


But refining margins also reflect profit. Some economists and consumer advocates suspect that refiners have intentionally bottled up supply to buoy prices, margins and ultimately profits.

A 2002 congressional study found some evidence it happens, but that doesn't necessarily mean refiners huddled in a back room somewhere, hatching conspiracies. They don't need to. They can each simply decide to crimp output or hoard supply. Such margin goosing is a permissible bid "to maximize their profits," federal investigators said in a 2001 report.

Bob Slaughter, president of the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association, blames high gas prices on high oil prices "which are frankly out of our control" \ufffd not decisions by refiners to hold back on gas. But he also says, "There is no law that says you can make people in an industry invest and expand capacity."

Why wouldn't other refiners simply ramp up their own output and claim a bigger slice of unmet demand?

That has become harder to do, as big refiners have built up market muscle through mergers. The top five now control more than half of U.S. refining capacity, and the top 10 account for three-quarters, according to an AP review of federal data.

[link|http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/4112469.html|source]
lincoln

"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow


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New dropped to $2.10 this morning
I imagine SUV sales will pick up soon as people forget $3 per gallon.
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New I expect they'll remember again right after the election...
New ^^^What he said.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Best by me is $2.18
Though I've heard that there are places on N Hwy 6 that are around $2.09
lincoln

"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow


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New We've got $1.98 here today.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New You Bastards!
..Premium here is still $2.95 (Reg maybe .18 lower)

'Course that's for special-formula lo-emissions yada.. so maybe we should be Proud?
(...There's so little left to be proud-Of.)

New Petrol here rose by about 10c (per litre) yesterday..
...isn't it of course a complete coincidence that it's a long (3 day) weekend this weekend.

To use a peculiarly Australian saying: "Not happy Jan!"
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New That's because you live in upsidedown crazy land



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New $2.02 (Lagrange) to $2.19 (Fort Wayne) now.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New $1.98 far north side of Houston Friday night
and I've finally come full circle. The gas station attached to my local Kroger's had gas at $2.09 the second week of January, 2006. This past Friday they dropped from $2.11 to $2.07 for regular unleaded.
lincoln

"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow


Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem.


I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States.


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New 42% of Americans suspect manipulation for election gains
[link|http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/money/20060919/1b_gasprices19.art.htm|http://www.usatoday....sprices19.art.htm]

A hefty 42% of Americans polled over the weekend said they think fuel prices are being manipulated by the Bush administration to help Republicans in an election year. The USA TODAY/Gallup Poll has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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Doesn't matter if its true. Like it didn't matter if the swiftboaters were lying. Its just what people believe.

Cool.



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     gas will be going down, now the pension funds get out - (boxley) - (14)
         Throwing the brown flag on that one - (drewk) - (1)
             what was the percentage made? more than 10% ? - (boxley)
         Refiners are doing their share to keep prices up - (lincoln)
         dropped to $2.10 this morning - (SpiceWare) - (9)
             I expect they'll remember again right after the election... -NT - (hnick) - (1)
                 ^^^What he said. -NT - (mmoffitt)
             Best by me is $2.18 - (lincoln) - (6)
                 We've got $1.98 here today. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                     You Bastards! - (Ashton) - (4)
                         Petrol here rose by about 10c (per litre) yesterday.. - (Meerkat) - (1)
                             That's because you live in upsidedown crazy land -NT - (tuberculosis)
                         $2.02 (Lagrange) to $2.19 (Fort Wayne) now. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             $1.98 far north side of Houston Friday night - (lincoln)
         42% of Americans suspect manipulation for election gains - (tuberculosis)

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