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New Lamont wins primary, Lieberman vows independent run
[link|http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/09/democratic.primaries/index.html|CNN]
Sen. Joseph Lieberman conceded to anti-war cable executive Ned Lamont in the Democratic primary for the Connecticut Senate nomination Tuesday night but vowed to run as an "independent Democrat" this fall.

Lamont carried 52 percent of the vote to 48 percent for Lieberman, taking victory on a tide of opposition to the Iraq war and what his supporters said was Lieberman's unwavering support for it.

This is ugly for the Republicans because nobody believes that Lieberman isn't a left leaning moderate. This is entirly because of the taint he suffers from his connection to the war and Bush. But Connecticut is a very left leaning state, how this plays out in other states is hard to judge.

Jay
New Not all about the war
Lieberman has provided bipartisan cover on Social Security privatization, school vouchers, the bankruptcy bill, the new Medicare bill and getting Roberts and Alito onto the Supreme Court, among other things.

You also might want to google "Rape Gurney Joe"
Tom Sinclair

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New Thanks for the pointer. Don't be a stranger to Politics! :-)
New Hours ago I heard this revealing line from Lieberman
{something} re why he's going to run as Independent ... "to save the democrats from becoming so far out of the mainstream that" ... ~ "they might lose seats".

It's obvious that, trying to sound like a Repo has earned, correctly - the wimpy, gutless, equivocators epithets.

In '04 the Establishment Demos / Reublicrats were listening to Beep's advice: ~~

don't be strident about the nebbishness of Bush,
ignore the sinister Svengaliness of Cheney,
the tactical and strategic incompetence of Rummy,
the lies, the warhustling, the Constitutional rapine,
the religio:

Be Nice, lest ___ You Lose.

Nothing to lose this time, except the patent duplicity, faux-cooperation with an idea-less regime racing us all to the bottom. Try courage, for a change.

Lieberman has earned his obloquy; may this spark provoke many more reassesments.
And bloody SOON. It's a Long Time to Jan 2009.

If we can't find Some way to impeach that crew...


A.


New Newshour Interview.
[link|http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec06/lieberman_08-09.html|August 9]:

GWEN IFILL: OK, well, that leads to my first question: Why are you doing this? Why are you running as an independent?

SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN: Well, I'm doing this because I want to continue the discussion that barely got started during the primary campaign when my opponent distorted so much of my record.

I'm doing it, also, frankly, because I'm fed up with the partisanship in Washington and the way in which primaries have skewered our whole political system, where people on either end of the spectrum tend to dominate primaries and it leaves out all the people in the middle. I want to offer a choice to all of the people in the middle in November.

And the premise of my campaign to the people of Connecticut will be quite simple: This is about the future. This is about your future. And you've got to decide which one of us, Joe Lieberman, Ned Lamont or the Republican candidate, can do a better job for you. And I think, on the record, I'm the person who can do that better job.


Sheesh.

Lieberman [link|http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-senmoney0729.artjul29,0,2988497.story|outspent] Lamont, he has been Senator for 18 years, and Lamont has only been running for 8 months, yet Lieberman just barely was able to get his message out.

What a whiner.

Lieberman has the incumbent disease. He thinks he's entitled to die in his seat in the Senate (unless he decided to do something else). If someone gets more votes than him for his seat, it's because the system has been corrupted.

Earlier, I thought Lieberman would drop out after putting up an effort for a few weeks and receiving enough entrieties from Lamont and the party big-wigs. But after hearing that interview tonight, I'm not so sure. He sounds like he believes he has to save the party...

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Of course, had he prevailed in the primary...
It would have been "the people have spoken!" and had the Lamont campaign been classless enough to mount a post-primary independent insurgency, why, we'd naver have heard the end of pious hand-wringing and admonitions.

The GOP pretends to deplore the outcome (poor JL, such a reasonable statesman, purged by fanatics in his own party) but to relish the prospect. Methinks they're whistling past Arlington.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New This is supposed to be a "disaster" for the Dems
According to many in the punditocracy, a Lamont victory is bad news for the Dems. So how come the Republicans aren't gloating?
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Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.
New Re: Republicans aren't gloating
There is some talk of them financial supporting Lieberman in lieu of their own "no name" (and no chance) candidate in the actual election.
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New Re: So how come the Republicans aren't gloating?
because Lieberman was a shill for the War on Terror and generally a lapdog to Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc., when it came to legislation that chipped away at our freedoms. They certainly didn't want to lose him. But with him running as an independent this fall, there's still a chance he might squeak back in.
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New Re: Lamont wins primary, Lieberman vows independent run
over the weekend Lieberman was telling the voters to remember
that he is a Democrat

guess he isn't

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New Lewis Carroll addressed this.
[link|http://www.sabian.org/Alice/lgchap06.htm|Through the Looking Glass]:

When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'


Cheers,
Scott.
New Since Bush has been in office he's been a DINO.
New no loss, had no use for the guy since he was on the ticket
Louis Farrakhan
nuff said,
thanx,
bill
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New Open Letter to Joe Lieberman
Dear Senator Lieberman-

Congratulations on your campaign to retain your Seante seat. It was a good campaign, and it concluded with the voters speaking. Unfortunately, you lost.

Do you understand? You lost.

Now, as I understand it, you are contemplating running as an "independent" in the November election. There are several reasons why you should not do this.

First, you are not an "independent". You are a Democrat. You ran in the Democratic Party's primary and lost. Fair and square. No one in Connecticut (or anywhere else in this country, for that matter) would see your running in November as anything short of a cynical attempt to circumvent the bona fide results of a fair election.

Second, as a Democrat, you should want to actively refrain from doing anything that would weaken the Party, either within Connecticut or nationally. You must see that an attempt to run as an "independent" serves only to weaken the Party. Besides giving the opposition ready fodder for its never-ending character assassination of anything or anyone progressive, it diminishes you personally and politically within the Party hierarchy.

Third, none of the results of your continued pursuit of this post can come out positively. In the best case (for you), you win the seat as an "independent". Your influence in the Party will have been diminished, and the potential for further chaos within the Democratic Party is quite possible and even likely; as other Democrats take the "sore loser" approach and circumvent the Primaries, the use of the primaries as a tool to allow the Party to select "the best possbile candidate" is reduced to rubble. Furthermore, the "real" Democrats in the Senate will know they cannot count on you to work toward the benefit of the Party, and so your influence and ability to get things done in Congress will be further reduced.

And consider the worst possible case: You split the Democrat voters in Connecticut and allow a Republican to win the Senate seat. This would be the ultimate snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory scenario. Given that Connecticut is widely seen as being a Democratic state, and that one of the primary goals for the Democratic Party is to take as many Congressional seats away from a weakened and unpopular Republican Party as possible, your candidacy effectively giving away a seat would be regarded as nothing short of treason by Democrats nationwide. As I said, nothing good could come of this.

So, Senator, it's time for you to take a step back, put your bruised ego back in your pocket, and work to elect real Democratic candidates (read: those who have won their Primaries) to office. Unless, of course, you really are a proxy for the Bush administration. I'd rather not believe that charge, but your actions in the next weeks will do more to confirm or deny that charge than any words you may utter from now until Doomsday.

Most sincerely,

Jay Burns
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
New Worth sending along, too - I wot.
Of course this would require something of a personal epiphany -- but his actual labor in the trenches for other campaigns.. just might earn him a seat in (whatever form the eventual.. Post-revolutionary govt. might take.)

Guess it could happen - likely he doesn't need the salary; he possesses the means actually to Do things. Such a Surprise too! that.

Why, the Shock factor alone could give him more influence than 'winning a seat' via above scenario.

     Lamont wins primary, Lieberman vows independent run - (JayMehaffey) - (14)
         Not all about the war - (tjsinclair) - (7)
             Thanks for the pointer. Don't be a stranger to Politics! :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
             Hours ago I heard this revealing line from Lieberman - (Ashton) - (5)
                 Newshour Interview. - (Another Scott)
                 Of course, had he prevailed in the primary... - (rcareaga) - (3)
                     This is supposed to be a "disaster" for the Dems - (Silverlock) - (2)
                         Re: Republicans aren't gloating - (a6l6e6x)
                         Re: So how come the Republicans aren't gloating? - (lincoln)
         Re: Lamont wins primary, Lieberman vows independent run - (andread) - (2)
             Lewis Carroll addressed this. - (Another Scott)
             Since Bush has been in office he's been a DINO. -NT - (inthane-chan)
         no loss, had no use for the guy since he was on the ticket - (boxley)
         Open Letter to Joe Lieberman - (jb4) - (1)
             Worth sending along, too - I wot. - (Ashton)

We're not going to play any mature games, are we?
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