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Post #263,558 by drewk 8/3/06 9:26:30 AM Reply	I'll answer both here Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime Let's try it like this: Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime See my point? "Regime" does not equal "nation". And yes, Tony Blair did use the phrase "wiped off the map". And like I said above, I didn't see that phrase in the quote from Ahmadinejad. So Blair is (or at lease seems to be) arguing against something that wasn't said. Hmm, I recognize that tactic. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #263,565 by bluke 8/3/06 9:40:43 AM Reply	You are worse then Clinton This is not the first time he has made such a statement. I guess all these are wrong as well. The New Republic [link\|http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w051031&s=karshmiller103105\|IRAN SAYS IT WANTS TO DESTROY ISRAEL. WHY IS EVERYONE SHOCKED?] Newsweek [link\|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9995386/site/newsweek/\|Tough Talk in Tehran] An anti-Israel rant last month by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad\ufffdin which he called for the Jewish state to be \ufffdwiped off the map\ufffd CNN [link\|http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html\|Iranian leader: Wipe out Israel] Iran's new president has repeated a remark from a former ayatollah that Israel should be "wiped out from the map," insisting that a new series of attacks will destroy the Jewish state, and lashing out at Muslim countries and leaders that acknowledge Israel. Boston Globe [link\|http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/ksgnews/Features/opeds/031206_allison.htm\|The Nightmare This Time ] But Israel and the US have to worry even more about an Iranian president who denies the Holocaust and asserts that "Israel must be wiped off the map." Keep living in a dream world. Yours is the same kind of attitude that dismissed Hitler in 1933 as a nutcase who would never do what he said.
Post #263,569 by bepatient 8/3/06 9:49:00 AM Reply	There you go again. all back to ww2 Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #263,581 by bluke 8/3/06 10:06:10 AM Reply	Forget about WWII Do you think Tony Blair and everyone else are making these things up?
Post #263,584 by bepatient 8/3/06 10:18:56 AM Reply	Not at all I think you are reaching to make comparisons that are invalid. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #263,585 by bluke 8/3/06 10:21:23 AM Reply	You don't believe him? He clearly wants to destroy Israel, why don't you believe that he will try to do it if he has the means? What does he have to lose?
Post #263,587 by bepatient 8/3/06 10:23:37 AM Reply	He hasn't invaded poland yet. and your assertions don't require this to be taken any more seriously. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #263,592 by bluke 8/3/06 10:33:20 AM Reply	And Hitler could have been stopped ... before he invaded Poland if people had taken him seriously. Israel can't take the chance that the equivalent to the invasion of Poland will be a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.
Post #263,594 by bepatient 8/3/06 10:51:12 AM Reply	Right And if Israel were to take seriously and act against any MidEast leader who has said this, they would have to eliminate EVERY OTHER MIDEAST COUNTRY. You are >reaching<...and its not helping your case. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #263,596 by bluke 8/3/06 10:56:21 AM Reply	The Iranian threat is more serious ... for a number of reasons: 1. It is a religious based threat which is almost impossible to deter 2. Iran is actively working towards a nuclear bomb
Post #263,601 by bepatient 8/3/06 11:11:33 AM Reply	They have all been religious threats and you have nukes...what does that make you to them? Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #263,611 by bluke 8/3/06 11:28:09 AM Reply	No Nasser was not a religious threat, Arafat was not a religious threat Assad was not religious and neither was Saddam.
Post #263,618 by bepatient 8/3/06 11:42:07 AM Reply	So now you are denying that the basis of their belief and their threat to Israel was NOT religious in nature. You must be smoking something. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #263,619 by bluke 8/3/06 11:44:50 AM Reply	I am saying something very simple The previous Arab threats were based on Arab nationalism not Islam. None of the people I mentioned were particluarly religious or used religious based themes. Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc. were/are all secular regimes. they did not propose to insititue sharia law. They stressed Arab nationalism. Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas are fighting a holy war which is a very different proposition.

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