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New Oh yeah, no disagreement on *that* score.
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HOWEVER, GP continues to force their issues on the larger, western companies when what they need to do is attempt to influence the legal system in the countries that are NOT as restrictive as we (US,ECC) are.
Heck yeah, they're focussing way wrong nowadays, no disagreement there. 'T'was, as I said, just the "tone" of your post (that made it look as if you were saying what it now seems you didn't mean to say) I meant.


Big co's in the US now do NOT do the bare minimum that the law requires (by and large...there are exceptions). Most go well beyond what is required. Reason, unlimited liability. It has been shown (asbestos, arsenic, etc...) that what you did 50 years ago you can be forced to pay for now...even if the best information available at the time showed no ill effect from your actions.
And marketing; being "green" or "environmentally aware" helps sell stuff, at least in some industries... But then, Big Corps are doing what they're "forced to do by the market", and again not "out of the goodness of their heart". They are, as usual, just looking out for the Holy Bottom Line; if anyone is really "doing" anything, it would have to be the newly "aware" buying public. (And, in your example, the weird USAmerican legal system... :-)


If it truly is the betterment of the global environment that GP is interested in...it will take information like was given above as affirmation that some improvements are being made...and focus their attention to places where they can really do some good as opposed to places where they can get the most press.
But there, we start to touch upon these "anti-globalization" movements and shit... The next step, in order for the "Third World" to build up clean -- or at least somewhat less dirty -- industry, is that they have a market for the products of that industry. How the fuck are they supposed to be able to afford upgrading to less polluting factories if we in the rich countries erect mile-high tariff walls to keep anything they could produce out of our markets -- and thus also hinder the growth of a middle class in the poor countries that could possibly become a domestic market?

So the torch of Protecting The Earth has passed, in some senses, from Greenpeace to those (partly misdirectedly-acting, but basically soundly-motivated) protestors mislabeled "anti-globalists", who AFAICS are just (or at least *should* be, if they're sensible) saying "Sure, 'globalization' OK, but NOT _J_U_S_T_ on the terms of Big Western Corps!". That's not really "ANTI"-globalization, is it? Just "DIFFERENT" globalization...

(Then again, many of those young Western firebrands protesting against the WTO and the World Bank and whatnot, are probably *also* Greenpeace members, so perhaps the GP's aren't *entirely* out of touch with this.)
   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
New They're an interesting bunch...
...those protestors.

Talked to alot of them while they were here for the Rep National Convention. Wasn't hard since one of the streets they were blocking is the one my office is on.

There were some truly commited to their cause...well informed...and indeed fun to chat with about issues...

there were some who were championing other causes who felt that participating in these demonstrations would bring more attention to there own...

and there were some who were getting a free weekender out of it and didn't seem to care one way or the other.

There was alot of GreenPeace involvement...and I, too, think there are probably alot of GP membership cards in that group.
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     Don't bother Greenpeace with facts - (SpiceWare) - (28)
         Interesting what he doesn't cover. - (Brandioch) - (27)
             He does say - (SpiceWare) - (26)
                 And paper mill processes remained unchanged the whole time? - (Meerkat) - (4)
                     I'm sure they have changed - (SpiceWare) - (3)
                         Industry doesn't have to go away - (Meerkat)
                         It is possible to clean up and keep the industries. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                             Mooned River - (tablizer)
                 It seems to me... - (bepatient) - (6)
                     Sheesh, aren't you easily duped, then -NT - (CRConrad) - (5)
                         Really? How so? - (bepatient) - (4)
                             The usual; too much of a "Go Big Corps, Go!" rah-rah. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                 Welcome to the big time. - (bepatient) - (2)
                                     Oh yeah, no disagreement on *that* score. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                         They're an interesting bunch... - (bepatient)
                 How about a correction, then? - (Brandioch) - (13)
                     Facts, man, facts. - (wharris2) - (12)
                         What really steams me... - (marlowe) - (11)
                             diesel can be very low emission, but not in the US - (tonytib) - (6)
                                 Re: diesel can be very low emission, but not in the US - (jb4) - (5)
                                     When Ronny became President . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                                         Thanks, Andrew - (jb4) - (3)
                                             Nah, would've given you that one. -NT - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                 Thanks, buddy! - (jb4) - (1)
                                                     No prob... - (bepatient)
                             Public Transportation. - (static) - (3)
                                 That's not quite what gets my goat - (wharris2)
                                 Is this happening in Oz - today ?? - (Ashton) - (1)
                                     Yes: said documentaary was US in origin and story. - (static)

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