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Post #260,001
by tablizer
6/26/06 2:28:39 AM
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New The problem with user-built programs
After seeing what users did with the likes of Lotus-123 macros and Excel, I see something in common:

A. They are horribly factored, repeating concepts over and over.

B. They have no feel for long-term maintenence and likely change paths, making it very fragile.

Getting a program to run is only 1/3 of the battle. If it is of any use you want it maintainable. I was generally impressed with that they did with such tools, but I would rather lick the restroom floor than maintain those contraptions.
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Post #260,099
by Steve Lowe
6/27/06 12:54:18 AM
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New you expect anything different?
A) WTF does factored mean?

B) Maintainability? See A!

Typical users aren't programmers and don't give a flying patootie about factoring, maintainability or fragility. And rightly so. The financial analyst getting that report to the CFOs office in 1/2 and hour had damn well better know finance - and enough about the tools they use to get the job done. If it needs to be better than that, then it needs to get properly built and the company needs to step up to the plate and make that investment.
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     Interesting Article on Software Engineering - (tuberculosis) - (48) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:57:08 AM EDT
         off the cuff without reading the article - (boxley) - (17) - June 13, 2006, 02:05:12 AM EDT
             Same as it ever was - (drewk) - (16) - June 13, 2006, 09:11:56 AM EDT
                 He doesn't mention language at all - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:57:51 AM EDT
                     Everything always looks better from the outside - (tonytib) - (1) - June 13, 2006, 11:57:18 AM EDT
                         Hardware design is getting to look a lot like... - (ChrisR) - June 13, 2006, 12:13:36 PM EDT
                     I was replying to Bill's comment, not really to the article - (drewk) - (12) - June 13, 2006, 12:11:20 PM EDT
                         I know where he is going with that - (boxley) - (4) - June 13, 2006, 12:15:40 PM EDT
                             I know the authors of dabbledb - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:58:23 AM EDT
                                 Note that the h/w folks Savain loves don't love schematics - (tonytib) - (2) - June 13, 2006, 01:30:45 PM EDT
                                     Does noone use circuit simulators? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:58:45 AM EDT
                                         Circuit simulators are no silver bullet, esp for Analog -NT - (tonytib) - June 13, 2006, 01:53:27 PM EDT
                         And another thing... - (jb4) - (4) - June 13, 2006, 02:35:50 PM EDT
                             He's talking about the "90%" of programming. - (Another Scott) - (3) - June 13, 2006, 03:10:35 PM EDT
                                 I'm considerably more skeptical about components - (tonytib) - (2) - June 13, 2006, 03:27:47 PM EDT
                                     Well said. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 13, 2006, 03:48:39 PM EDT
                                         Well, we've already got 10^10 components... - (jb4) - June 14, 2006, 05:03:56 PM EDT
                         The problem with user-built programs - (tablizer) - (1) - June 26, 2006, 02:28:39 AM EDT
                             you expect anything different? - (Steve Lowe) - June 27, 2006, 12:54:18 AM EDT
         The article is BS - (ben_tilly) - (28) - June 13, 2006, 07:07:43 PM EDT
             I don't agree - (tuberculosis) - (26) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:01:56 AM EDT
                 Er, what? It's 2006, dude. - (admin) - (12) - June 14, 2006, 01:01:32 PM EDT
                     C++ was never about components - (tuberculosis) - (11) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:02:27 AM EDT
                         ? in 97 useta write module compile in Borland - (boxley) - June 14, 2006, 02:23:25 PM EDT
                         1994, actually. - (admin) - (9) - June 14, 2006, 03:04:44 PM EDT
                             That's a side issue - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:02:49 AM EDT
                                 Define "a few years" - (admin) - (7) - June 14, 2006, 04:22:35 PM EDT
                                     No - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:04:25 AM EDT
                                         Hey, YOU'RE the one who made the stupid assertion. - (admin) - June 15, 2006, 08:26:55 AM EDT
                                         I guess... - (pwhysall) - (4) - June 15, 2006, 03:22:45 PM EDT
                                             wrongly - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:49 AM EDT
                                                 Don't leave. - (Another Scott) - June 15, 2006, 07:59:28 PM EDT
                                                 Oh stop. - (bionerd) - June 15, 2006, 08:31:17 PM EDT
                                                 Wind your neck in. - (pwhysall) - June 16, 2006, 01:39:05 AM EDT
                 Just for the record: - (jb4) - June 14, 2006, 05:10:03 PM EDT
                 I wish components worked like that everywhere - (ben_tilly) - (11) - June 14, 2006, 07:28:28 PM EDT
                     What do you mean, traditionally? - (admin) - (10) - June 14, 2006, 07:58:21 PM EDT
                         I mean what they mean in their documentation - (ben_tilly) - (9) - June 14, 2006, 08:11:19 PM EDT
                             That's character set, not numeric. - (admin) - (8) - June 14, 2006, 08:59:29 PM EDT
                                 So we were talking past each other -NT - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 14, 2006, 09:44:53 PM EDT
                                     The example you gave was of numeric sort not working. - (admin) - (2) - June 14, 2006, 10:40:59 PM EDT
                                         No, it was not of *numeric* sort not working - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 14, 2006, 11:20:57 PM EDT
                                             Nevermind me, I'm tired tonight. -NT - (admin) - June 14, 2006, 11:47:05 PM EDT
                                     There's a lot of that going on -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:04:27 AM EDT
                                         No - (admin) - (2) - June 15, 2006, 08:28:35 AM EDT
                                             Whatever - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:04:47 AM EDT
                                                 Who says irony is dead? -NT - (admin) - June 15, 2006, 10:11:07 AM EDT
             The problem with hardware is deeper - (tonytib) - June 14, 2006, 01:40:05 PM EDT
         Good luck with that - (warmachine) - June 14, 2006, 10:48:47 AM EDT

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