Post #258,875
6/14/06 10:45:05 AM
6/14/06 3:55:04 PM
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Follow up on a bill - HR 4752 (National Service Act)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:h4752:
FYI...
" H. R. 4752
To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. "
[...] more at the link
This bill was debated on June 6th (Last week). No vote was taken, and it was referred to a subcomittee.
(But it is THERE, just in case....) Any 42-year olds out there?
Edit: fixed link
Edited by dmcarls
June 14, 2006, 03:55:04 PM EDT
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Post #258,877
6/14/06 10:56:52 AM
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Linky no worky for me. This one does.
[link|http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:h4752:|HR-4752]. It was introduced by Rangel of NY.
It has no co-sponsors and was referred to the Subcommittee on Military Personnel on February 23.
It seems like a fair bill. There are few exemptions (e.g. no college deferments). But I think it would be ungodly expensive (due to the 10s of millions of people who would be in the 18-42 category).
I don't expect it to get out of the subcommittee.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #258,957
6/14/06 5:11:23 PM
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Not again
Dunno why he keeps wasting his time and our money with this.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #258,962
6/14/06 5:44:55 PM
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Shouldn't someone propose such a thing?
Or at least talk about it?
It's only 4 pages and there's very little action being taken on it, so it's not costing anyone much at all.
Yes, the bill won't go anywhere. That doesn't mean the Congress shouldn't address it.
If you want to talk about a waste of time and money, you could talk about the [link|http://frwebgate1.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=321087376831+144+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve|"Official Truth Squad"] speeches in the House last night. :-/
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #258,988
6/14/06 8:22:51 PM
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Link no workie for me
but it would be nice of the gentleman from NY to >get over this<...since he introduces it every session since he's been there...and actually work on something for his constituents.
What a freakin concept.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #258,992
6/14/06 9:29:07 PM
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Thomas seems to construct queries and not expose the URL...
I'm not able to find a way to get the page without a search. To find it, go [link|#|here] and search for "Grand mosque seizure, November 20, 1979, in Mecca." You'll get 1 result, " 1 . THE OFFICIAL TRUTH SQUAD -- (House of Representatives - June 13, 2006)" Click on that link. An excerpt: Mr. PRICE of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity once again to come before the House. I want to thank the leadership and the conference for their providing us the opportunity to come and talk this evening for a while and share some views with the Members of the House about a very important topic.
We have coined this on occasion the Official Truth Squad. This is the House Official Truth Squad, the Republican conference Official Truth Squad that grew out of a general frustration on the part of many Members of the freshmen class, 25, 26 strong, who are now about 18 months into our first term in Congress.
And after about 6 months, we met and shared conversation and thoughts about the House of Representatives and where we are going as a Nation. There was some real concern about what we sensed as the politics of division and the politics of deception that seemed to be practiced by many here in this Chamber and across the land, frankly.
So we organized what we called the Official Truth Squad and come to the floor of the House on many occasions, as often as possible, at least try to do it at least once a week. We broadened that participation in the Official Truth Squad, Mr. Speaker, because I think other Members of the conference felt that was an appropriate thing to do, to try to bring some light, shed some light and truth on the issues that we talk about here in the United States House of Representatives, because it is so doggone important to make certain that we have truth and facts when we are talking about issues. Because if you don't have the right facts, the truth of the matter is, it is tough to get to the appropriate solution.
[...] They've had at least 14 sessions of this "Truth" pablum. AFAIK, Rangel first introduced the bill in [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HR_163|2003], while he's been in the House since 1971. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
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Post #259,016
6/15/06 12:00:42 AM
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I know. I stretched it a bit.
He's still a jerkieboy though ;-)backatcha
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Post #258,892
6/14/06 12:57:12 PM
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Anyone want to guess
that Mr. Rangel is 43?
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Post #258,896
6/14/06 1:03:13 PM
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:-)
I think he's in his 60s.
(Wikipedia-googlie-goo)
He's [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Rangel|76]. He was a soldier in Korea.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #258,898
6/14/06 1:07:29 PM
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Yep...it's that same Democrat
that introduced the bill back in what....2003?
Shrug. At least he's consistent.
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Post #258,906
6/14/06 1:53:09 PM
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yep, a Korean War Vet, also recognising the social good that
a draft would promote. Military and Civilian organizations pull disparate socio-economic groups that ordinarily would associate into close proximity of each other.It broadens your horizons so to speak.
thanx,
bill
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Post #258,931
6/14/06 3:08:44 PM
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Be a Republican - Be an Officer!
Well, a Political Officer, at least.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #258,935
6/14/06 3:33:45 PM
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Wasn't that a movie?
An Officer and A Republican
Oh for the lack of Photoshop :(
Smile,
Amy
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Post #258,940
6/14/06 4:12:28 PM
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The Gimp is your friend.
[link|http://gimp.org/windows/|Download for Windows].
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who hasn't used The Gimp in a [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=188271|long time].)
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Post #258,945
6/14/06 4:33:29 PM
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Oh goodie! A new hobby !
I'm thinking of Bush in the uniform carrying Cheney out of the factory.
Smile,
Amy
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Post #259,003
6/14/06 11:05:23 PM
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I hope that it FINALLY includes the "TRIM" function
lincoln
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Post #258,905
6/14/06 1:45:11 PM
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there could be a good benefit
As long as the politician's kids don't always "randomly" get assigned civilian service then the government might take more interested in what they do with the military.
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Post #258,923
6/14/06 2:34:14 PM
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But just remember:
Bush promised there'd be no draft. So I could exzpect that his first veto would apply to this bill?1
1Assuming, of course, that this bill ever finds its way out of committee, and onto the pResident's desk. In an election year. Riiiiight!
jb4
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Post #258,934
6/14/06 3:30:22 PM
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So what's "undue hardship"?
Are they going to pay me what I make here for that two years so we don't lose our house? Or will they consider homeschooling to be insufficient cause for my wife not to go back to work?
Regards,
-scott anderson
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