Post #258,473
6/11/06 10:17:58 AM
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Funny, I just searched for posts
where he approved of the swifties. Funny, nothing.
Nothing at all.
The fact that he believes that all politicians are untrustworthy, and that Democrats are no more trustworthy than Republicans is all over the place, though.
I happen to agree with him - the only difference I have with his opinion is that I believe the Neocon junta is more blatant than at other times - their control of the Executive as well as the Legislative enables them to be FAR more blatant (they are 'bulletproof' right now, and taking full advantage of it).
This is not even a new thing or a new idea - remember, Samuel Clemens said 'the only uniquely American criminal class is Congress', after all.
Your (and to be fair, other members of the board) 'if ya ain't fer us yer agin' us' rhetoric is frankly getting old. As is the implication that Dems are morally superior to Reps.
It seems that anything that praises Dems is above reproach in your eyes.
Anything that slams Reps is automatically true.
Don't you see that this ideological disorder threatens to put you on the same level as the Neocons? The Rush-quoters? That this is the same problem that infects religious organizations? The flaw that allows masses to be manipulated by unscrupulous people of all stripes?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #258,597
6/12/06 1:46:26 PM
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Funny, I just searched for posts
where he condemned them in the same terms he just pasted lincoln's post. Funny, nothing
Nothing at all.
If fact, the two posts I did find posited that such outright lies [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=172177|are ok because it's "propaganda"] and that the Swifties [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=170287|had absolutely no connection with Bush] (which I'm sure was posted before we found out that the Swifties were funded by Rove's political organization...I'm sure without Rove's direct knowledge or consent.
So I guess if a Repo organization distributes negative information that are proven to be lies about Demos, that that's OK in BeeP's and your world, because it's "propaganda", while if Demos distribute negative information about Repos that is acknowledged to be factual, that bad, baaad, BAAAADD because it's "partisan crap".
I'm glad I don't live in your world. I couldn't afford the chiropractic bills resulting from all the whiplash.
Ad as far as supporting the "'if ya ain't fer us yer agin' us' rhetoric", I suggest you take up MM's advice and "read me in my posts". If you do, you'll find nowhere do I subscribe to the 'if ya ain't fer us yer agin' us' camp you ascribe me to. Politicians lie. Partisan politicians lie more often. The current crop of Repo partisans appear to lie more often, in a more institutionalized way, and with less remorse than do Demos currently. I do not believe it was always that way (c.f. post-civil war era)...but I wasn't alive then, so I can't be sure. And Sam Clemmens was right.
And to the "It seems that anything that praises Dems is above reproach in your eyes." crack. Just remember the other old saw: What's good for the goose is good for the gander". In my jaundiced view, I'm pleased that the Demos are finally showing some backbone, and standing up to the 6+ years of lie and innuendo that Der TurdBlossom has orchestrated. There is, however, one notable difference in their response from that of the Repos opening salvo: The Demos are responding with facts, a concept rather foreign to the current neocon cadre. Does that make me a blind Democrat apologist? Maybe to you, perhaps, but to the rest of the world, not hardly.
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
— Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
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Post #258,649
6/12/06 5:27:20 PM
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The list may be "factual"...but it is nowhere near complete
and while it focuses on dem congresscritters, it includes people like Rush as repo hawks.
In my opinion, that is done purposefully and that makes it "spew".
Give me a list of congressmen...PERIOD...or those running...and list their record. Then come to me with a list of Repo "hawks" in power.
Did the list give the military history of every asshole actor telling us how they are gonna move to Canada and their history??? No.
That list is "factual" only because it suits your agenda. The fact that I point this out seems to have pissed you off.
Oh well.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #258,655
6/12/06 5:36:56 PM
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List == spew; Swifties == acceptable propaganda; Nice!
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
— Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
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Post #258,662
6/12/06 6:44:14 PM
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I have no problem with this list being published
nor with the swifties being allowed to do what they do.
Both get equal protection as freedom of speech and each gets about as much of my attention from me as the other.
I have long ago given up trying to clarify to those here what "realism" is and so have given up trying to clarify whatever political agenda is invented for me by your reading and/or misreading of my posts.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #258,720
6/13/06 12:18:16 AM
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Gee. Now I must be 'agin ye'
I do read you in your posts. All the time.
If you read me in mine, you'll see that I detest the lies of the Neocons.
Now I support them because I distrust Demos, too?
You are SO full of it. More of your spin, worthy of Rush.
Further, where does Beep condemn the site and say it's bad? Or worse than the swifties? He says it's incomplete.
And - you may be pleased at Dems standing up - So am I (they are the only real hope of getting rid of the bastards in office now) but you DO come across as a blind Demo fanboy. Enjoy it; you're not the only one here.
*shrug*
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #258,742
6/13/06 9:44:59 AM
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Yer not agin me...but to quote Dave Mason...
...we just disagree. (Which is one of the freedoms that they haven't yet abridged....)
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
— Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
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Post #258,744
6/13/06 9:51:39 AM
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Yes they have
Try to run for office while disagreeing with the notion that the Woah on Terrah is the top priority for our representatives in Washington. Or disagree with the premise of a Creator. See how far you get in politics.
So if the only people allowed to disagree with those in power are those with no shot at power, are we really free to disagree?
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Post #258,731
6/13/06 3:15:19 AM
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Funny...I just reread the posts and the threads linked
and have no comprehension of how you get a defense of republicans...especially out of the second post and thread.
Oh well.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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